Colin Nicholls Posted Tuesday at 10:05 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:05 PM (edited) 27 minutes ago, Jim Stamper said: My PC is a NUC 11 Enthusiast built by Intel, with Intel and Nvidia on board graphics. Off-topic, but I love the NUC form factor. I use a NUC 12 myself. On-topic, I have not seen this behavior recently. Are you able to share the project? Edited Tuesday at 10:06 PM by Colin Nicholls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stamper Posted Tuesday at 10:25 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 10:25 PM (edited) 25 minutes ago, Colin Nicholls said: Off-topic, but I love the NUC form factor. I use a NUC 12 myself. On-topic, I have not seen this behavior recently. Are you able to share the project? Thanks, the NUC is amazing, the future of the PC form factor IMO, and so quiet for the studio. Sharing the project means uploading it as a file to this forum? I can't share any content, so it would only be a project with blank tracks. Not sure if that would be useful. Edited Tuesday at 10:32 PM by Jim Stamper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Nicholls Posted Tuesday at 11:29 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:29 PM If you have a blank project that exhibits the problem, I would try opening it on my system and seeing if the problem is saved with the project. It might not be a content-dependent problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted Wednesday at 12:04 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:04 AM I would try: - Set Workspaces to None if it isn't already. - Make sure any screenset in use isn't locked. - Drag the tracks pane completely closed and back open to force a redraw. - If that doesn't get it, remove each group of problematic tracks from its folder and move them back in with or without re-creating the folder depending on whether the problem persists. If that fixes one project but others continue to have a problem, I would suggest you abandon any old templates you may be using and re-create them from scratch, starting with a Basic or Empty one. In the past, I've had templates that continued to have issues around new features that didn't exist when they were created. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stamper Posted Wednesday at 01:15 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 01:15 AM 1 hour ago, David Baay said: I would try: - Set Workspaces to None if it isn't already. - Make sure any screenset in use isn't locked. - Drag the tracks pane completely closed and back open to force a redraw. - If that doesn't get it, remove each group of problematic tracks from its folder and move them back in with or without re-creating the folder depending on whether the problem persists. If that fixes one project but others continue to have a problem, I would suggest you abandon any old templates you may be using and re-create them from scratch, starting with a Basic or Empty one. In the past, I've had templates that continued to have issues around new features that didn't exist when they were created. Getting it re-drawn isn't a problem. I just open a different view (Console or PRV) then go back to Track View and it is 'fixed' until it happens again. Also, it can happen with any tracks in any folders. There are not 'problematic tracks'. Looking at templates is an interesting idea. For me, the bottom line is I had hoped someone might have a definite solution, and if not, at least I'm raising awareness with the bakers. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stamper Posted Thursday at 07:57 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 07:57 PM Here's a video of the issue. Sorry, it's poor quality. What's happening here is some tracks are truncated. I collapse a folder view, then uncollapse it, the tracks look normal again (the normal segment of the video is very brief at the end). This happens regardless whether they are folder tracks, or regular tracks in a folder. Some of these folders contain plug-ins, some folders only have audio tracks Truncated tracks.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted Thursday at 09:10 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:10 PM On 7/22/2025 at 7:15 PM, Jim Stamper said: Getting it re-drawn isn't a problem. I just open a different view (Console or PRV) then go back to Track View and it is 'fixed' until it happens again. It may not make a difference, but FWIW, my intent was to force a redraw of where the track/clips pane divider is since the "truncated" tracks are behaving as if the pane divider is further to the left than it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
57Gregy Posted Friday at 01:01 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:01 AM 5 hours ago, Jim Stamper said: Here's a video of the issue. Sorry, it's poor quality. What's happening here is some tracks are truncated. I collapse a folder view, then uncollapse it, the tracks look normal again (the normal segment of the video is very brief at the end). This happens regardless whether they are folder tracks, or regular tracks in a folder. Some of these folders contain plug-ins, some folders only have audio tracks Truncated tracks.mp4 3.55 MB · 0 downloads I'm curious to know what would happen if you grabbed the right edge of the track pane and dragged it all the way to the left and back again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stamper Posted Friday at 05:49 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 05:49 PM 16 hours ago, 57Gregy said: I'm curious to know what would happen if you grabbed the right edge of the track pane and dragged it all the way to the left and back again? I tried this. The moment I grab the right edge, all of the truncated tracks instantly snap back to a normal non-truncated display. This is the best work-around for now. Thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted Friday at 06:20 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:20 PM (edited) On 7/22/2025 at 8:04 PM, David Baay said: - Drag the tracks pane completely closed and back open to force a redraw. 17 hours ago, 57Gregy said: I'm curious to know what would happen if you grabbed the right edge of the track pane and dragged it all the way to the left and back again? 36 minutes ago, Jim Stamper said: I tried this. The moment I grab the right edge, all of the truncated tracks instantly snap back to a normal non-truncated display. Edited Friday at 06:25 PM by User 905133 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stamper Posted Friday at 06:29 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 06:29 PM 2 minutes ago, User 905133 said: Getting it re-drawn isn't the problem, but is a work-around to make the tracks "whole" again until the next time they truncate. I can force a re-draw by flipping to a different screen view and back again. Clicking on the right edge of the track pane is just a faster way to re-draw it. Maybe all of these clues could give the bakers an idea of where the real problem might be. Until then I live with a work around. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberwolf Posted Friday at 06:46 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:46 PM (edited) 25 minutes ago, User 905133 said: FWIW, I think the point Jim Stamper is trying to make is that it isn't about a workaround (which he already has at least one of)...it's about finding the root cause so that the problem causing it can be fixed. (edit: for some reason it doesnt' show any of the stuff I quoted in the quote, maybe the forum just doesnt' do nested quotes?) Edited Friday at 06:48 PM by Amberwolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted Friday at 06:47 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:47 PM 16 minutes ago, Jim Stamper said: Clicking on the right edge of the track pane is just a faster way to re-draw it. I thought it might also give a more persistent solution if you actually move it and re-save the project. Have you done that and still see the problem intermittently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted Friday at 06:49 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:49 PM (edited) 28 minutes ago, Jim Stamper said: Getting it re-drawn isn't the problem, but is a work-around to make the tracks "whole" again until the next time they truncate. I can force a re-draw by flipping to a different screen view and back again. Clicking on the right edge of the track pane is just a faster way to re-draw it. Maybe all of these clues could give the bakers an idea of where the real problem might be. Until then I live with a work around. Thanks OK. Have it your way. To me, moving an edge / border forces some redrawing to be done which necessarily recalculates the position of things on either side. For example, if I have some track control widgets showing and I move the edge to the left and then the right, the widgets disappear and then get redrawn--along with everything else that changes size when the edge is moved. If you don't want to call that redrawing, I guess that's OK, but to me if the elements of the UI are being redrawn, I call it redrawing. Edited Friday at 06:57 PM by User 905133 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted Friday at 07:13 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:13 PM (edited) 30 minutes ago, Amberwolf said: FWIW, I think the point Jim Stamper is trying to make is that it isn't about a workaround (which he already has at least one of)...it's about finding the root cause so that the problem causing it can be fixed. To be clear I think finding the root cause(s) of problems like this is a given. I hope nothing I said led anyone to believe otherwise. To me it was obvious early on that if something isn't being drawn correctly, the suggestion to force some redrawing is moving in the direction of trying to pinpoint where the problem might be. Edited Friday at 07:17 PM by User 905133 fixed typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stamper Posted yesterday at 02:29 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 02:29 AM 7 hours ago, David Baay said: I thought it might also give a more persistent solution if you actually move it and re-save the project. Have you done that and still see the problem intermittently? Yes, I tried that. That one's always worth a try. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stamper Posted yesterday at 02:33 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 02:33 AM 7 hours ago, Amberwolf said: FWIW, I think the point Jim Stamper is trying to make is that it isn't about a workaround (which he already has at least one of)...it's about finding the root cause so that the problem causing it can be fixed. (edit: for some reason it doesnt' show any of the stuff I quoted in the quote, maybe the forum just doesnt' do nested quotes?) Yes, that's exactly right. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stamper Posted yesterday at 02:37 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 02:37 AM 7 hours ago, User 905133 said: OK. Have it your way. To me, moving an edge / border forces some redrawing to be done which necessarily recalculates the position of things on either side. For example, if I have some track control widgets showing and I move the edge to the left and then the right, the widgets disappear and then get redrawn--along with everything else that changes size when the edge is moved. If you don't want to call that redrawing, I guess that's OK, but to me if the elements of the UI are being redrawn, I call it redrawing. I don't have any problem calling it redrawing, I just hope the issue can be fixed in the future. It happens a lot on my system so I thought others on the forum might have seen it as well. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 8 hours ago, Jim Stamper said: I just hope the issue can be fixed in the future. It happens a lot on my system so I thought others on the forum might have seen it as well. Thanks I can relate to having hard-to-replicate UI issues that no one else seems to have, but maybe with the sample file requested they can figure out a cause and a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stamper Posted 8 hours ago Author Share Posted 8 hours ago 8 hours ago, User 905133 said: I can relate to having hard-to-replicate UI issues that no one else seems to have, but maybe with the sample file requested they can figure out a cause and a solution. I asked earlier how to share a file. Am I supposed to upload it to this forum? Attached to a thread like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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