Fix request: MIDI clip healing

[Starship Krupa]

According to the documentation, the same techniques (swipe, select/Ctrl click) for healing unwanted splits are supposed to apply to MIDI clips as well as audio clips.

As it stands now, the only way (that I know of) to eliminate unwanted splits in MIDI clips is Bounce to Clip, which is not as intuitive (esp. if you're used to working with audio clips).

Moreover, if you're going by the manual, it's very frustrating for it to just fail to work.

IIRC, a longtime SONAR user told me that it worked as recently as SONAR X.

Can we get it back? If it's not possible, can the documentation reflect it?

[sjoens]

As I keep finding, the manuals need a bit of healing themselves as there are a number of erroneous entries. 

[Starship Krupa]

On 7/13/2025 at 1:31 AM, sjoens said:

As I keep finding, the manuals need a bit of healing themselves as there are a number of erroneous entries. 

The longer a document has been around, the more the author(s) and users become blind to errata.

After the first CbB Reference Guide  was published, I was still new to it and created a document where I could write down errors. Every so often, I'd PM a list of them to Morten Saether. The great majority of them got incorporated (some of them were my own misunderstandings). I stopped after it stopped feeling like such a "target rich environment." Maybe became blind to whatever's still there, or just never accessed those parts of the manual.

So my suggestion is to note and submit whatever errata you find. The guy in charge of documentation is good about fixing them. The more eyes on it the better, I think.

[sjoens]

Submit to whom, tho?

[Starship Krupa]

8 hours ago, sjoens said:

Submit to whom, tho?

Same person I submitted them to. Morten Saether.

AFAIK, he's still in charge of documentation.

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

On 7/13/2025 at 6:40 AM, Starship Krupa said:

As it stands now, the only way (that I know of) to eliminate unwanted splits in MIDI clips is Bounce to Clip, which is not as intuitive (esp. if you're used to working with audio clips).

I constantly have to do this ! I'm not sure if it's me but did they changed the way it works at some point? 

The issue I have is when adding even just a single a midi note via the PRV to an existing track, it always seems to create a new clip in the track view.

This is maddening as stray notes become hidden 'behind' other clips and I have to bounce them to a single clip afterwards to consolidate so I can see them all properly.

I might be mis-remembering but  I thought at some point if you placed or recorded new midi data that overlapped an existing clip it was automatically consolidated.   

[Starship Krupa]

14 minutes ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

I thought at some point if you placed or recorded new midi data that overlapped an existing clip it was automatically consolidated.

It's possible to finagle the DAW into doing it via a combination of having it in the correct mode, that is Sound on Sound vs. Comping, and clip selection. I wrote out the recipe and posted it on this forum at one point. But it doesn't happen automagically, it takes some mindfulness on the part of the operator.

I'd start by trying throwing 'er into Sound on Sound mode and seeing what happens.

I would love for it to be selectable in Preferences. New manually entered MIDI data goes into the selected clip or something. Whatever the logic of it is currently, it seems pretty obtuse.

[sjoens]

8 hours ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

The issue I have is when adding even just a single a midi note via the PRV to an existing track, it always seems to create a new clip in the track view.

There's a Paste Special setting for that so it may be intended behavior.

For me pasting a single note creates a full length clip that can extend to oblivion, which is not intended behavior.  The new clip should only be as long as the added notes.

I only use SoS.

Edited Saturday at 09:53 PM by sjoens

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

2 hours ago, sjoens said:

There's a Paste Special setting for that so it may be intended behavior.

Thanks for that but I don't mean pasting a note, I am either drawing or playing it in 

[David Baay]

12 hours ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

The issue I have is when adding even just a single a midi note via the PRV to an existing track, it always seems to create a new clip in the track view.

If the new note is more than about 5 beats later than the end of the previous note (and thus the existing clip boundary), Sonar will create a new clip. To avoid this, drag the clip boundary out to where you want to start adding notes.