Vegas movie studio platinum seems to cause audio glitches in CbB

[gmp]

I installed Vegas movie studio platinum 13.0 on my Win 11 computer and I started getting little short duration glitches or pops in CbB. I uninstalled it and it went away. Has anyone had a similar experience and know how to have them live ok on the same computer? Of course Vegas was closed when using CbB

[John Vere]

My guess would be that Magix generic audio driver was involved. 
I ran version 13 for years without issues other than that version crashing a lot. 
 

Re install MM 13  and then open the RegEdit app and go to Software ASIO and look for the Magix driver. Delete it. It is a well documented problem. 

[gmp]

Very good, because i'll need to reinstall it. So I now know what to do

thanks

[John Vere]

Anytime you install software from Magix or Steinberg you end up with their Generic ASIO drivers which only seem to cause problems with Cakewalk/ Sonar. Other Daw’s ignore them. 
 

For some reason they take over the Latency adjustment in Sync and Caching. It just a Sonar bug. 

[gmp]

I reinstalled Movie Studio, but don't see any ASIO it installed under Regedit. I'm using WIN 11.  

I looked under

HKLM>Software>ASIO
HKLM >Software>WOW6432Node>ASIO

 I searched my registry for every instance of ASIO and it took a while but I didn't find anything except my soft synths and MOTU AVB music interface which uses ASIO.  Does anyone know where the registry key is to remove?

[gmp]

My audio interface is a MOTU AVB Ultralite it has midi and audio and definitely uses Asio. I wonder if the fix is to uninstall and reinstall my MOTU?

[John Vere]

That was the correct place  HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ASIO

 

So that wasn't the problem

Edited Sunday at 10:02 PM by John Vere

[gmp]

So John, I think you said you installed Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 13.0 also, like I did, and had some audio glitches and did find an Asio registry entry in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ASIO. In my setup the only thing under ASIO in my registry is a Motu folder.  If this is what happened to you, I wonder if it's because I have Motu Avb Ultralite as my audio/midi interface, which uses Asio. Unless someone else has any other ideas, I'll uninstall and reinstall my MOTU in case Vegas altered something with Asio. Also I may even try reinstalling Vegas to see if there's a custom install where I can deselect Asio.

[John Vere]

I have used both Vegas and Cakewalk together for at least 6 years now. 
I was making tutorials so I needed to run Cakewalk in ASIO mode. At first I was using a Focusrite interface and I couldn’t figure out how to do this. The solution was I bought the Motu M4 which had loopback so I could do screen capture etc and stay in ASIO mode.  
The other important thing I found was set everything in my audio system to use 48 clock rate. 
Windows, Daw’s and Vegas. All set to 48. 

OBS studio and Vegas allows you to use ASIO and set your interface as default audio device. You need to go into settings/ preferences and select this. 
 

I have never had issues with using that set up. 
 

But I had quickly upgraded to Vegas pro studio from Movie Maker way back when because of way too many issues with Movie Maker. Crashes and freezing up all the time. Vegas seems rock solid. I was lucky and got it cheap as an upgrade. Not sure what the deal is now. 
 

There’s also Devinci Resolve free. But I prefer Vegas because it uses the DX plug-in’s like the Sonitus compressor. I also like the way I can open the audio in Sony Sound forge. 
 

The comment about the Magix ASIO driver is typically it gets installed with the software. I think not with the Video editor but with Sound Forge or the Music Maker software. 

If you open Preferences/ Audio/ Sync and Caching and your Motu shows as the default device for latency you are good to go. 

[gmp]

In CbB Preferences/ Audio/ Sync and Caching,  Motu shows up under Record latency Adjustment. I uninstalled 987 and install 955 for Movie Studio 13.0. After I installed 13.0 955 I still don't see any Asio stuff to delete in the Registry. Here are some screenshots. Let me know if you see anything to delete. I still plan on uninstalling and reinstalling the MOTU driver in  case that may help.

The guy at the move studio Zen forum is excellent and knows some background on this:

There are two different (final) versions of VEGAS Movie Studio Platinum 13 available:
The Sony Creative Software version and newer MAGIX version.
I have the older and more reliable Sony version installed.
When MAGIX bought Sony VEGAS Movie Studio and VEGAS Pro, they released a different version of VEGAS Movie Studio Platinum 13, due to licensing agreement problems (I think?).
That slightly newer version is the one you are using, Build #987.
This version installs some of the Windows Registry values in different folders - so I'm wondering if this may be part of the strange bevaviour? This is just a random idea of mine...

[mettelus]

10 hours ago, John Vere said:

The other important thing I found was set everything in my audio system to use 48 clock rate. 

Check this out quick to make sure your Sound Control Panel options jive with what you are using in Cakewalk. Some programs install at a default rate, and that install might have changed them on you. Also, if you are using more than one app for an ASIO device, make sure every app is set to the same settings (and that Exclusive mode is disabled in Windows Sound Control Options).

Even with multiple ASIO drivers loaded, they should not be an issue as long as the proper one is in use and Windows doesn't give exclusive control to any apps. I would drill into the preferences on Vegas first and make sure they match Cakewalk, then check Windows. Cakewalk can only use what Windows tells it is available, and if locked, cannot change the audio settings on it.

[John Vere]

If Cakewalk seems to have all the correct settings in preferences and you’re getting audio glitches it would theoretically be impossible for any other software to be causing the issue especially if it is not running. 

The Magix driver is a well known issue but you apparently don’t have it installed so that is not the problem. 

Audio glitches are caused by the audio driver and Windows struggling to process audio smoothly. This can be other processes running in the background, Plug ins , CPU not being optimized etc. 
Run the Resplendent Latency Monitor to see if you have system issues. 

Reboot your Interface if it happens. My Motu will glitch out if it’s been running for a long time. I have to restart my computer. 
 

FYI my settings. 
Motu ASIO 48/24 buffer 256. 
I bypass all effects when tracking both midi and audio. 
If a certain synths is known to cause issues I freeze it. 

Edited 4 hours ago by John Vere