Missing Plugin Dialog

[Scott C. Stahl]

I have 2 questions on this. Is the only way to get to this dialog box on opening a project? I'd like to refer to this after I've opened a project because I'm in the midst of switching computers and want want legacy projects to open with everything in place just like they do in the old system.

The second question is that a lot of the plug-ins or items listed in this particular instance are not in the project anymore and I cannot find them to eliminate the issue. There are no  "V vocal clips" + I have no idea what "Cronus" stands for.  I cannot find any of the listed items. Not in audio folders or anywhere on my system. Any suggestions appreciated!

 

[Amberwolf]

Cronus / V-vocal was what really old SONAR versions used for manual hand-tuning of audio clips; Melodyne is currently used for that, AFAIK, but there's no way to automatically switch from one to the other. 

If you're going from an old version of SONAR in the old computer to a newer one in hte new computer, you'd have to bounce all the V-vocal clips in a project to plain audio with the old version if you want to keep the tuning changes you made to the clips.     If you want to redo all those changes you could remove the v-vocal clip versions and revert to the original (muted) versions of those clips (usually hidden "underneath" the vvocal versions IIRC). 

[Scott C. Stahl]

Thanks for the reply! I used to use vvocal quite a bit back in the day. Very much a legacy project (From the 90's!) but with mostly all new stuff layered over the old. Unfortunately, I cant find any clips that show any hint of editing now. I was pretty careful to render after I was happy with edits to avoid crashes on a new start. Went over to Melodyne Studio ages ago. Maybe I'll bounce all Vocal clips as an experiment to see if that gets rid of those items in the dialog. Worth a shot. Thanks!

Edited 11 hours ago by Scott C. Stahl

[mettelus]

I seem to recall that saving a project as a bun file, then unpacking it will strip out all Region FX as well, but it has been a while.

[Amberwolf]

Also make sure you didn't use track manager to hide some tracks that have VV clips in them.

 

If you don't have a specific  visual layout of clips in each track, you can also enable layers/lanes in each track and then "rebuild layers" on each track to force no clips to overlap with any others visually in the same lane/layer, making it much easier to see everything.

 

I also vaguely recall a wierd thing I sometimes saw with VV clips (one of several reasons I stopped trying to use it very early on) where a clip could just randomly become a "sliver", that could not even be seen on the track, but selecting everything on the track would make a barely visible outline of the clip that I *could* see, and delete or use clip properties (alt-enter) to change it to a length I could see and work with. 

 

 

 

 

[Scott C. Stahl]

O yes, the good old sliver thing! Very familiar. I did find an archived track with the vvocal clips after seeing your reply. Was able to kill off pretty much everything in the missing plugin dialog. It'd be nice we could access it on demand. i have been screenshotting or taking pics with my cell. Kinda clunky

[Scott C. Stahl]

1 hour ago, mettelus said:

I seem to recall that saving a project as a bun file, then unpacking it will strip out all Region FX as well, but it has been a while.

I might try that. I haven't used bun files in a while so I don't remember if that happened. My guess is they would have been preserved. Wouldn't have ever wanted to use a bun file if it didn't preserve clip effects, but I can't remember if I used too many insert effects back then. Region effects, yes.  Transferring to a new system and having to reconcile every old plug or nuance in every older project has been quite the wayback machine experience for me. I'm trying to avoid throwing the Legacy versions on this new system just to get a few old plugs. Just to keep things tidy. Thanks for the suggestion!

[Amberwolf]

52 minutes ago, Scott C. Stahl said:

the missing plugin dialog. It'd be nice we could access it on demand.

It would be nice if there was a screen that listed each plugin, synth, mfx, etc., along with which track or bus it's in or clip it's applied to, and which order they are in when several are in the same bin, and which preset was used (if any, and if not a list of settings values with an option to "create presets for all".   That could be used to rebuild a project should it become corrupt, or to know what plugins were used in a project so they could be installed in a new system ahead of time (like you're doing) without having to reference the missing-plugin dialogs.   

 

The closest thing I know of to do this sort of thing is ProjectScope by Adam Czyk "czyky", which at least provides a list of fx used.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/ProjectScope-helps-find-CWPs-and-keeps-them-organized-updated-to-Producer-Edition-m3218609.aspx?high=projectscope

http://forum.cakewalk.com/ProjectScope-for-Sonar-Project-Files-CWPs-updated-to-support-new-Sonar-project-features-m3584169.aspx

https://adamczyk.com/miscellaneous-files/88-projectscope-exe-for-cakewalk-project-files

[Scott C. Stahl]

2 hours ago, Amberwolf said:

It would be nice if there was a screen that listed each plugin, synth, mfx, etc., along with which track or bus it's in or clip it's applied to, and which order they are in when several are in the same bin, and which preset was used (if any, and if not a list of settings values with an option to "create presets for all".   That could be used to rebuild a project should it become corrupt, or to know what plugins were used in a project so they could be installed in a new system ahead of time (like you're doing) without having to reference the missing-plugin dialogs.   

 

The closest thing I know of to do this sort of thing is ProjectScope by Adam Czyk "czyky", which at least provides a list of fx used.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/ProjectScope-helps-find-CWPs-and-keeps-them-organized-updated-to-Producer-Edition-m3218609.aspx?high=projectscope

http://forum.cakewalk.com/ProjectScope-for-Sonar-Project-Files-CWPs-updated-to-support-new-Sonar-project-features-m3584169.aspx

https://adamczyk.com/miscellaneous-files/88-projectscope-exe-for-cakewalk-project-files

Hmmm I'll have to take a look. Thanks!