Automation envelope repeat in Groove Clips?

[Cobus Prinsloo]

Hi. I have a bass line converted to a groove clip. Before the conversion, it had an automation envelope (modulation of every second note). But, this does not seem to duplicate when the groove clip is extended (see screen shot.

Is there a way to accomplish this?

[Wookiee]

@Cobus Prinsloo there is an option to select automation, with clips, when copying, you may need that to be selected. 

[David Baay]

Based on automation line crossing empty space before the clip, it’s a track envelope, not a clip envelope.

[Cobus Prinsloo]

4 hours ago, David Baay said:

Based on automation line crossing empty space before the clip, it’s a track envelope, not a clip envelope.

Ok, that makes sense, thank you. But is there a way then to assign automation other than velocity and volume to an individual clip?

[David Baay]

11 minutes ago, Cobus Prinsloo said:

But is there a way then to assign automation other than velocity and volume to an individual clip?

No, MIDI clips allow automating only Velocity Offset with an envelope. I'm not exactly sure why this limitation is imposed, but suspect because MIDI controllers are channel messages affecting the sound of all notes sent on the same channel so it makes some sense to allow only one track-level controller envelope in a world where it's unusual to have events of different channels on the same track. But that does make it harder to keep automation and clips locked together when editing and using features like Groove Clip Looping.

I can only suggest you just use actual controller events in the clip rather than envelopes.

[Cobus Prinsloo]

On 3/6/2025 at 10:06 AM, David Baay said:

I can only suggest you just use actual controller events in the clip rather than envelopes.

Here is my solution: I kept only the first instance of the groove clip and then duplicated it (see screen shot). It still functions perfectly by changing pitch to the pitch markers above.

Side note: it regularly occurs that when I press Play on this project, I can't get it to stop or pause. It simply keeps on playing, no matter how many times I try to stop it. Any ideas why this happens?

[David Baay]

15 hours ago, Cobus Prinsloo said:

it regularly occurs that when I press Play on this project, I can't get it to stop or pause.

I have't seen that for a long time except for an issue that was fixed recently with the clip re-draw frequency during playback at high zoom levels causing the UI to become unresponsive. If it's just this one project, I would tend to suspect some plugin is causing the problem.  Based on the track numbers in your screenshot, it looks like your synth count might be pretty high. If it's from a template with a lot of unused instruments, I would try 'Disconnecting' them in the Synth Rack until needed.