IgoRr Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) Sonar does not start after installing VB-Audio Matrix Coconut, I tried to configure the audio settings for this virtual audio mixer, and now when Sonar starts, only the initial splash appears, and Sonar closes. At the very first start after installation, a window appeared with a proposal to select an audio driver, I selected VB-Audio Matrix Coconut, after that this window closed, and I was never able to start Sonar again. The same thing happens with Cakewalk by Bandlab. I immediately returned the system audio settings to the previous ASIO driver from Steinberg UR22C, but Sonar still does not work.I tried to reinstall Sonar over it, but the situation did not change. Is there any way to start Sonar/Cakewalk with a preliminary option to change the audio driver settings? Thanks in advance! Edited February 23 by IgoRr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol_Jonesey Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) So what did you do to solve it? @IgoRr Others may benefit from your solution Edited February 23 by Bristol_Jonesey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgoRr Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said: So what did you do to solve it? In general, I did not do anything special or very complicated, I simply completely uninstalled Sonar and Cakewalk by Bandlab (I had a file with the latest Sonar settings saved), deleted all the tails in the system, cleaned the registry, and reinstalled everything from zero. And now everything works. Apparently, some file retained information about a specific choice of audio driver, and subsequent attempts to launch Sonar were reset due to the absence of this driver. A strange situation, and I would be much more interested in knowing whether it is possible to launch Sonar / Cakewalk in some mode where it would be possible to select an audio driver before fully launching the program, but no one answered me. I also tried with the CTRL or SHIFT keys pressed, but this did not give any result, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwalpwal Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, IgoRr said: I did not do anything special or very complicated nice 2 hours ago, IgoRr said: I simply completely uninstalled Sonar and Cakewalk by Bandlab (I had a file with the latest Sonar settings saved), deleted all the tails in the system, cleaned the registry, and reinstalled everything from zero. oh glad you got it sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgoRr Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 26 minutes ago, pwalpwal said: glad you got it sorted The thing is that I didn’t figure it out, and I would really like to find out the reason for this behavior of Sonar, and find out if there is a way to launch Sonar with preliminary audio driver settings, but I didn’t get any answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmcleod Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, IgoRr said: The thing is that I didn’t figure it out, and I would really like to find out the reason for this behavior of Sonar, and find out if there is a way to launch Sonar with preliminary audio driver settings, but I didn’t get any answers. I suspect the issue is that VB-Audio Matrix is grabbing the ASIO drivers of the other audio devices, preventing Sonar from opening them. Why it crashes is another question... the drivers should either be fully open by VB-Audio Matrix, or not at all. VB-Audio Matrix is probably leaving the ASIO drivers in a state Sonar doesn't expect. FWIW, I didn't have this issue with ASIOLink which also opens other ASIO drivers, so something VB-Audio Matrix is doing is leaving things in a weird state. BTW - you shouldn't need to uninstall / re-install Sonar - deleting or renaming AUD.INI would have sufficed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgoRr Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 (edited) 26 minutes ago, msmcleod said: I didn't have this issue with ASIOLink What a coincidence - I've been using ASIOLink for years now and I have no problems with it either! 26 minutes ago, msmcleod said: you shouldn't need to uninstall / re-install Sonar - deleting or renaming AUD.INI would have sufficed. Thank you very much for the tip, I didn't know about this method, it will help me a lot in the future! 🙏 @msmcleod While you are here, I wanted to ask: how can I make Sonar (Cakewalk) record a USB microphone (from a Logitech webcam), there is no ASIO driver for it, and I can’t connect it to the DAW audio path via ASIOLink. For OBS Studio (recorder display), I used a small utility Cockos ReaPlugs, which allowed me to connect the output from Sonar and the input to OBS Studio. Maybe there is a way to do the same but for the USB microphone input inside ASIOLink itself, so that it would be possible to record it into DAW? Thanks in advance! Edited February 23 by IgoRr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwalpwal Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 23 minutes ago, IgoRr said: The thing is that I didn’t figure it out so what was the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgoRr Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, pwalpwal said: so what was the issue? I described everything in detail in the very first post: at some point, Sonar stopped starting (opening), and I wanted to find out the reason and a way to fix it. I was already told how to fix Sonar starting, but I still haven't figured out the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwalpwal Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, IgoRr said: reason yep that was what i was asking i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmcleod Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, IgoRr said: What a coincidence - I've been using ASIOLink for years now and I have no problems with it either! Thank you very much for the tip, I didn't know about this method, it will help me a lot in the future! 🙏 @msmcleod While you are here, I wanted to ask: how can I make Sonar (Cakewalk) record a USB microphone (from a Logitech webcam), there is no ASIO driver for it, and I can’t connect it to the DAW audio path via ASIOLink. For OBS Studio (recorder display), I used a small utility Cockos ReaPlugs, which allowed me to connect the output from Sonar and the input to OBS Studio. Maybe there is a way to do the same but for the USB microphone input inside ASIOLink itself, so that it would be possible to record it into DAW? Thanks in advance! The only way I know works is by using WASAPI shared, as this aggregates all the devices. You should be able to use ASIOLink and open the USB mic as a WDM driver. I used to do this with my Focusrite 18i20 & mLAN setup, where ASIOLink would open the 18i20 in ASIO mode, and use WDM for the mLAN audio ports. In all honesty though, it became such a nightmare to configure all the time, I reverted back to using a small analog mixer, where everything went through the analog mixer and came back through the inputs in my main ASIO interface or through my onboard Realtek line input. Given the ASIO limitation in Windows, USB mics are really only good on a Mac. Sometimes it's easier to go old school. I use Thomann's T-Bone version of this: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwalpwal Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 15 minutes ago, msmcleod said: Given the ASIO limitation in Windows, USB mics are really only good on a Mac. Sometimes it's easier to go old school Tbf, cakewalk has always been windows, but it's the only windows daw that has asio issues, but mac is old school now? Rofl come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol_Jonesey Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, pwalpwal said: Tbf, cakewalk has always been windows, but it's the only windows daw that has asio issues, but mac is old school now? Rofl come on I though he meant using a mic with an XLR, not USB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwalpwal Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 28 minutes ago, Bristol_Jonesey said: I though he meant using a mic with an XLR, not USB yeah on review i can see you might be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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