Gerry 1943 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Have recently had a nice little jazz ballad taken from Band in a Box and transferred to Cakewalk. However, I would like to add/change some instruments in Cakewalk. How do I do this? I have tried inserting Audio, Midi and Soft Synth tracks without success. For example, I inserted an Audio track and copied the Band in the Box guitar track to it. I get sound but it is the guitar sound that I copied form Band in a Box. I would like to change it to a keyboard sound. When I inserted the Midi or Audio tracks and copied from Band in a Box, I get no sound at all. How could I get to copy and paste a track from Band in a Box to Cakewalk and change the instrument? I know it can be done because I have done it in the past but do not remember. Maybe changing to Window's 11 has something to do with this ? Thank you in advance for any support. Greatly appreciate it. Regards Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Export the midi from BIAB, then export the wave instruments from BIAB (select file per instrument. ) Next import the wave and midi into Cakewalk tracks. Make the tempo in Cakewalk match the tempo in BIAB. Watch that the midi and wave clips are aligned. You might need to slide one to match the other. Now you have some choices. You can apply whatever instruments you want to the midi tracks plus you have the wave stems to mix in if you want. You can also go back into BIAB, change the style and extract various new instruments as you like. It’s great for getting away from the canned BIAB styles. Finally, you can add the BIAB VST into Cakewalk, load the BIAB VST with the SGU file (File at the top left) and see the chords as you play your song in BIAB. It will also play the BIAB audio if you want. Edited February 1 by Terry Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock Monkey Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) oOK Edited 6 hours ago by Sock Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry 1943 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 Terry, thank you very much for your reply, however, I may be dumb, but I do not understand your procedure. What I have done is copy and paste the 3 instruments tracks from BIAB into Cakewalk. I ended up with3 audio tracks in Cakewalk, ( bass, drums and guitar ). Now, within Cakewalk, I have SI instruments and also Toontrack instruments that I would like to substitute from the BIAB instruments....bass and guitar. I have tried creating a midi track, audio track and/or soft synth track with a new bass sound. I am able to copy and paste the BIAB track to these, but I get no sound. I notice you say to export the midi file from BAIB, is there a difference between " exporting " and " copy & paste " ? Because what I have done is copy & paste and end up with an audio track. What could be my problem? Thank you again Regards Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry 1943 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 Thank you, Sock. The fact that I am using the previous free version of Cakewalk, which I have had for years, would that make a difference or would your instructions still be valid. Thank you in advance for your reply. Regards. Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 It sounds like your BIAB project used Real Tracks, which are audio recordings, not MIDI so you are stuck with what you got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry 1943 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 Thank you Byron. Do you mean to say that if those tracks were midi, I could do want I intend to do. If YES, good I will make sure my future projects are in midi. In the meantime is there a way of changing/converting these Reak Track into midi. Again thank you. Regards. Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Yeah, if they are green the midi wont be a direct copy of the Real Tracks. It’s often nonsensical. Read in the BIAB manual about MIDI instrument assignment and hit up the BIAB forum. You can switch any instruments to MIDI or select a style that doesn’t use Real Tracks. Edited February 1 by Terry Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry 1943 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 Thank you Byron. Do you mean to say that if those tracks were midi, I could do want I intend to do. If YES, good I will make sure my future projects are in midi. In the meantime is there a way of changing/converting these Reak Track into midi. Again thank you. Regards. Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry 1943 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 Thank you, Terry. Much appreciated. We learn new things every day! Regards. Take care and be safe. Gerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettelus Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 13 hours ago, Gerry 1943 said: I ended up with3 audio tracks in Cakewalk, ( bass, drums and guitar ). You can try dragging each one of those audio tracks (in Cakewalk) to an empty MIDI track (also in Cakewalk) and see how well each converts. The bass may do well, the drums would be hit-or-miss (and also mapped as general MIDI), but the guitar is most likely a no-go (especially with leads). Where BIAB will help you is it converts RealTracks to proper tempo/key for you, so importing that into Cakewalk may be what you want anyway (if you like the part). Doing guitars with MIDI is often a bit painful, so the BIAB conversion of RealTracks may be the simpler approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock Monkey Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) oOK Edited 6 hours ago by Sock Monkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatore Sorice Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Following this thread with great interest! I splurged on the 2025 BiaB Audiophile OmniPak (i.e., EVERYTHING they offer). Admittedly, I'm a relative newbie with BiaB, but it seems to be a great tool and it looks like they really improved the DAW integration. I look forward to learning a lot about BiaB. Keep this thread going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock Monkey Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) ooK Edited 6 hours ago by Sock Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Gary, I have just talked about this in BIAB forum. Many, if not most Real Tracks in Band in a box have MIDI notations. There is a fairly uncomplicated way to extract that midi and import it to Cakewalk. I will give you steps how I would do it, but it's more of a BIAB discussion, ideally move conversation there. You will get answers from people that use it daily and know the thing inside out. Keep in mind that process is destructive, so save a copy of the project. 1) In BIAB when you have your Real Track ready to export right click on it in mixer. 2) Select Track actions >Erase track 3) First question will be if you want to erase Real track > Yes 4) Second question: do you want to erase midi data > hit Cancel. Track should be converted to midi. Before you do anything else go to step #5. 5) click freeze button on the mixer. You can try dragging file (track) directly to Cakewalk or save project midi and then import it to Cakewalk. Your best guy for Midi on PGM forum is Mario, (former Cakewalk user) he knows quite a bit about Midi side of BIAB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Is don’t think all Real Tracks have a corresponding midi track. When I have switched, the midi was different or nonsensical. But often it does work. BIAB is a good composing tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 "But often it does work" That's the spirit! Content wise BIAB is amazing, if you are into bread & butter genres, but to get the most of it you have to dig in. What most people don't realize, it can do partial regeneration of RTs on the fly. That is the true power of BIAB as it uses material from same recorded session to offer variants for segments that might not fit well from initial generation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Well thank you for the encouragement! I’m going to go hit F4 multiple times for my own satisfaction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock Monkey Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) ooK Edited 6 hours ago by Sock Monkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) i use BIAB real tracks to generate solos - i'll create a project with the chord changes for the solo section(s) and an approximate style (or sometimes a wholly different one) and rerun the solo generate over and over until i get a performance i like (much like a session where it's being created by the player on the fly) then solo the solo track and export it. guitars and sax seem to work pretty well, many others are not so great. i don't use the MIDI because it never sounds authenticate, and converting it to MIDI is very seldom something i would do either. Edited February 4 by Glenn Stanton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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