Some midi clips won't crop

[mgustavo]

Hi, I'm working on a small project and I noticed some midi clips won't let me crop edges, neither with Smart tool or Edit tool.

However it seems this issue can be solved exporting clips, but I'd like to know if there's a feature that prevents clips from cropping, maybe I did something wrong?
Thanks in advance!

Edited January 5 by mgustavo

[Amberwolf]

Is there a lock symbol on the clips?   If so, the Lock Data function may be turned on for them. You can select them, right click on them, and turn that off.  

 

[Bristol_Jonesey]

You could also try bouncing the clip to itself before cropping (Bounce to Clip)

[Chaps]

In the MIDI track's Edit Filter, is CLIPS selected or are one of the other options selected (Notes, Automation, Clip Automation)? As far as I know, slip-editing and fades can only be drawn if CLIPS is selected in the track's Edit Filter, both for Audio and MIDI.

[mgustavo]

Amberwolf, thanks, but the clips are normal, with no lock icons on them!

Bristol_Jonesey, thanks! That's what I meant (in CbB with brazilian portuguese language the command is 'export to clip', so I mixed up the words)!
This brings clips to normal, but I can't understand why that happened - the buggy clips have beveled bottom corners (one or both). I also turned them into Groove Clips, which have 4 beveled corners, but that didn't work either.
Maybe bouncing clips to themselves will be the best choice!

Chaps, thanks, but all Midi tracks have Edit Filter set to Clips - some clips on the same track are normal, but most of them have this issue!

Thanks for the replies!

Edited January 6 by mgustavo

[Amberwolf]

Even though there's no lock icon...is the lock (data / position) checkbox active when you doubleclick on a clip to see it's properties?   

If it's not active, what happens if you lock it, then Ok to the properties dialog, then reopen the properties dialog and unlock it, then ok to the dialog again?   (in case it's a "stuck" property flag that is set but the clip doesn't "know" it's set, so you're toggling it to ensure it's not set...something that shouldn't happen, but....). 

 

If it weren't that bouncing the clips to new clips then works, I'd wonder if it was possible there is a quantize setting engaged that's preventing slip editing except to whatever that's set for.   I don't know of such a setting at clip level in my ancient SONAR, but perhaps the newer versions have one.

 

AFAICR, clip ends with just bottom bevels are just slip-edited to that point (vs top and bottom bevels that indicate the end of a loop of a grooved (looped) clip).  

If all the "broken" clips are slip-edited ones, best guess is somethign went wrong with the slipedit data somewhere behind the scenes.   IN that event, bouncing them to new ones is probably the only fix. 

 

If you (like me) save every version of edit along the way as a new file, you could also go back to an old enough version that has the original un-slip-edited clips and copy/paste them into the current file, if you need any of the data that was in the hidden part of the slipedit.