HOOK Posted December 2 Share Posted December 2 I have a general workflow that utilizes groups for stereo pairs of guitars. Often, I'll have layers of stereo pairs of guitars - some with different amps or different guitars. And sometimes harmonies. Tracks: 1&2 might be group A Tracks: 3&4 might be group B Tracks: 5&6 might be group C Generally, these will all run through a stereo bus on the way to the master bus. Now, there are times where I want to simply manually move all 6 of those faders up or down at the same time without moving the fader on the bus. BUT - Quick Grouping will not allow for that. However...if I happen to have a single channel in that quick group along with the other groups, it WILL allow me to move all faders as a group, as long as I'm Ctrl+click+dragging on that single fader. Am I missing a hot-key or something to allow a Quick Grouped movement of several grouped pairs of faders? thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted December 2 Share Posted December 2 Not sure about the problem with quick-grouping of groups and not at my DAW to test, but you should be able to get the same result using Input Gain on the bus if only those six tracks are going to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOK Posted December 2 Author Share Posted December 2 (edited) 16 minutes ago, David Baay said: Not sure about the problem with quick-grouping of groups and not at my DAW to test, but you should be able to get the same result using Input Gain on the bus if only those six tracks are going to it. You do have a point there. But the problem still remains if I have 12 groups and only want to turn up 6 of them. It happens frequently. Edited December 2 by HOOK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted December 2 Share Posted December 2 Raising faders on the tracks the feed the bus will have the identical effect to raising Input Gain. Both will increase the level into the FX bin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOK Posted December 2 Author Share Posted December 2 Just now, David Baay said: Raising faders on the tracks the feed the bus will have the identical effect to raising Input Gain. Both will increase the level into the FX bin. Yes, David. I changed my response because I originally read your response to mean the GAIN on each individual channel...not the bus. Yes. I know faders will also effect the FX bin on the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOK Posted December 2 Author Share Posted December 2 Curiously though...with my misunderstanding of your original response....I WAS able to control gain on groups A, B and C with a quick group. And I've never played with it like this before, but it looks like I can do just about anything with the quick group, but I can't do fader....the only thing I want to do....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted December 2 Share Posted December 2 (edited) I suspected and just confirmed by checking the Ref. Guide that when controls are grouped, holding Ctrl temporarily overrides the grouping so you can alter one member independently - i.e. it becomes Quick Unrouping. So far as I know, quick-grouping of groups is simply not implemented. The simplest alternative would be to output each pair to an Aux track that outputs to the bus, use the grouped track volumes to contol the pairs and use quick-grouping on the Aux volumes as needed. If you're using matchng FX on each guitar pair, Aux tracks will also facilitate that and reduce the number of plugins you have to manage. Or don't create any permanent groups and, just use quick-grouping for everything, selecting what you want to control in each case. Edited December 2 by David Baay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOK Posted December 2 Author Share Posted December 2 Thanks, David. The Aux track is an obvious option for an intermediary place to control volume for these groups but I prefer to not. I'm old. A bus doesn't belong in the middle of a mixer...lol. 🤷♂️ But it looks like you basically ran down the same exhaustive list of reasons I did as to why I can't do what I want in this situation. It's fine. I just wanted to know if anyone saw that I was missing a hotkey option or something to temporarily override the group. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted December 3 Share Posted December 3 3 hours ago, HOOK said: I prefer to not. I'm old. I resemble that comment. ;^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted December 3 Share Posted December 3 As you know, holding CTRL while adjusting a parameter that is part of a group, temporary overrides that grouping, allowing one to adjust just that one parameter. The issue is that to create a quick group, you also hold CTRL. It appears that one cannot create a quick group using parameters that are already part of a group, because the function to temporary override that grouping prevails. What we need is a key modifier to allow the temporary quick grouping of parameters that are already part of a group. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberwolf Posted December 3 Share Posted December 3 34 minutes ago, Promidi said: What we need is a key modifier to allow the temporary quick grouping of parameters that are already part of a group. i suppose ctrl-shift-click would be an obvious modifier? assuming the feature gets added... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 23 hours ago, Amberwolf said: i suppose ctrl-shift-click would be an obvious modifier? assuming the feature gets added... For a feature to be added, it must first be requested, and the place to do that is in the Feedback forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 Quick grouping is mutually exclusive to permanent grouping. If you want to quick group first information any normally grouped controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOK Posted December 10 Author Share Posted December 10 Sorry, @Noel Borthwick. I don't quite grasp what you're saying in that second sentence. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 I misspoke. Actually, you can use Quick group along with permanent groups as long as you start the operation from a control that is not permanently grouped. Quick grouping and permanent grouping are two different operations. Permanent grouping is when you assign a bunch of controls to predefined groups (A, B, C...) and set up their relationships to each other via the group and group manager menu items. Quick grouping is a temporary state where it auto groups controls for selected tracks and operates on them. Since the key is CTRL for this you cannot engage quick grouping from an already permanently grouped control since the modifier acts as an override in this case. We can't use shift either since shift is used for accurate editing mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOK Posted December 10 Author Share Posted December 10 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said: Actually, you can use Quick group along with permanent groups as long as you start the operation from a control that is not permanently grouped. Quick grouping is a temporary state where it auto groups controls for selected tracks and operates on them. Got it. That explains why I can control just about everything when I quick group my permanent groups - except for the fader. Typically, my permanent groups are simply for tying faders together. Thanks for explaining that. Edited December 10 by HOOK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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