DougM56 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 Hello, after searching here and not finding any specific or current results I need to ask, is it possible to be grandfathered into a Sonar 202X subscription if you are a perpetual license holder of Sonar Platinum life-time (on Steam)? I recognize that my original EULA is most likely invalid, but it seems that there was some lateral offerings a few years back. Thank you kindly, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB01 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 Different company, different product, different times. There is no licensing carry over from old Cakewalk products to Sonar by Bandlab. If you want the new product, you sign up to Bandlab and obtain it through an annual subscription - circa $150 a year or $15 a month. No immediate plans for a perpetual license that I am aware of although that may be offered in the fullness of time - who knows. Trying to debate this further is pretty pointless and will almost certainly result in a locked thread. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwallie Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 the free cakewalk-by-bandlab version is still free & available i think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 Yes. And works quite well. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 Does not look like it at this time. If you are on Sonar Platinum still, the most recent version you can get is Cakewalk by Bandlab. I definitely recommend this as CbB is light years ahead of Sonar Platinum. That being said, I believe that Sonar 2024 is now at a stage were the subscription is worth it. Also, I do not think we can yet say that a perpetual licence for Sonar 2024 can be fully ruled out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougM56 Posted October 22 Author Share Posted October 22 (OP) I am on Platinum so I appreciate the advice. I'd taken a number of years off so it's definitely time to do some updating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Knudsen Posted Saturday at 03:11 AM Share Posted Saturday at 03:11 AM Another Cakewalk Sonar Platinum Lifetime user here ... Bandlab took over everything Cakewalk and Cakewalk Sonar 2024 should be in our Lifetime versions updates. I really hope this happens, as I will have to switch from Bandlab altogether if it doesn't happen. While I can understand other viewpoints, there are not many who actually would like to stay with this software and have the original Lifetime versions updates. This would be a great move and most likely bring people back as well. In any case this would be really easy to do and what great publicity it would be. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIM Productions Posted Saturday at 07:43 AM Share Posted Saturday at 07:43 AM 4 hours ago, Kristian Knudsen said: I really hope this happens, as I will have to switch from Bandlab altogether if it doesn't happen. While I can understand other viewpoints, there are not many who actually would like to stay with this software and have the original Lifetime versions updates. This would be a great move and most likely bring people back as well. In any case this would be really easy to do and what great publicity it would be. ABSOLUTELY!!!! I was a beta tester for Boston and I considered Sonar the best Pro DAW on the market, I want to own the tools I use to produce, I hope they decide soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andi Rock Posted Saturday at 01:59 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:59 PM (edited) I mean I get it, but at the same time, the best way to support the software you love is money. I've been using it since about 2002 and have paid a few times over for it, but I totally love sonar and I am thrilled with the whole band lab thing and now the continuation of it with a new Cakewalk sonar. Edited Saturday at 02:01 PM by Andi Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock Monkey Posted Saturday at 04:40 PM Share Posted Saturday at 04:40 PM (edited) almost 10 years ago in 2015 Gibson offered the "Lifetime Update" to a small crowd of users of Sonar Platinum. In Nov 2017 Gibson Announced the abandonment of the Cakewalk empire. Seems a lifetime was less than 2 years. In Feb 2018 Bandlab took over the Cakewalk Empire and with carefully chosen words said it will be free. They never said for a lifetime they never said forever. The word lifetime is not the same as the word forever anyway. So we did continue to have this so called Lifetime updates and support honored, but by a different company that was not even obliged to do so. If you chose to stay with Splat then you chose to miss out on all those free updates and support. Your choice. (Seems sort of unwise to me. ) The "Free lifetime updates" stopped a year ago when all new updates were transferred to the latest version Sonar. Sonar is only available as part of a large package of perks for becoming a Member of the Bandlab Empire. Bandlab has 100 million Members. Complaining about something a different company did to the company that actually saved our butts?? ? you are only farting in the wind. The Bandlab Membership goes on sale often. Sign up for emails and only purchase a year when it goes on sale. I got mine for almost half price. Edited Saturday at 06:39 PM by Sock Monkey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Nicholls Posted Saturday at 04:59 PM Share Posted Saturday at 04:59 PM 13 hours ago, Kristian Knudsen said: Bandlab took over everything Cakewalk and Cakewalk Sonar 2024 should be in our Lifetime versions updates. Sorry to break it to you but that is just not how things work. Swtich to the free Cakewalk By Bandlab and use that for a while. It's light-years ahead of SONAR Platinum. And it's Free. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIM Productions Posted Saturday at 05:31 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:31 PM 50 minutes ago, Sock Monkey said: Bandlab has 100 million Members. The question is how many of those 100 million work professionally? I am not a member of Bandlab, I am a professional and I purchased a DAW. I don't have to do companies a favor, I have to work so I have to own my DAW so as not to be a slave to other people's decisions. I repeat that Sonar Plat, CBB and Sonar are fantastic DAWs for me but the direction taken by the company is strange, the proof is that all the best competitors give the possibility to buy the DAW, then everyone does what they want but you have to give me the possibility to buy it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted Saturday at 05:47 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:47 PM To be fair, to stay in business Bandlab has to appeal to the newer generation of music creators. They like most other companies have to go with the “We will make you famous” model. One company does survives via low cost and volume but they don’t offer the sample/library that is so popular now. I expect AI creation will at some point make even the DAWs moot except for the small number of musicians. However, most people don’t care how their favorite song was created. They like it and that all that matters. But it was inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock Monkey Posted Saturday at 06:47 PM Share Posted Saturday at 06:47 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, GIM Productions said: The question is how many of those 100 million work professionally? Probably a small handful. Just like with every Daw other than Pro Tools and Logic. Cubase might be the third. People who chose to use Cakewalk as a professional tool, and I was one of them, are oddballs in the world of Daw's. There's no point complaining. Why would pandering to the smallest possible user base of your software even be on the radar? Loosing a few dozen users is of no concern I would think. I find nothing evil in this thinking. It is what it is. I have lots of choices now and renting Sonar until next July for the cost of a good Plug in is just fine by me. I haven't paid a dime for over almost 10 years! Try that with any other Daw!! I would imagine that out of those 100 million it's a very very small percentage that actually are using Sonar. It would be way over their heads. They are using the Bandlab apps and other stuff. Just look at this forum. Do you see hoards of people posting? It would seem to be about half the activity it had before June 6th 2023. Just be grateful we have the options of the Free CbB and cheap rent of Sonar which is only there because somebody thought it was a good perk to add to the empire. The empire would not fall if it wasn't there. We are blessed to still have Noel and staff still on our sides. Sonar is now a gem but, yes. it would be preferred by most of us "Life timers" to actually own it. I have until July to not think about it. Edited Saturday at 07:04 PM by Sock Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted Saturday at 07:56 PM Share Posted Saturday at 07:56 PM 1 hour ago, Sock Monkey said: People who chose to use Cakewalk as a professional tool, and I was one of them, are oddballs in the world of Daw's. I know like 2 people who use it in my world out of hundreds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted Saturday at 08:27 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:27 PM 3 hours ago, Sock Monkey said: They never said for a lifetime they never said forever. In the first Bandlab public letter email Mr. Meng mentioned "decades" (as in plural), as far as Cakewalk by Bandlab goes . To be true to his words, he (Mr. Kuok Meng Ru) needs to have it available for "free" at least until 2038, as letter was signed by him. Sonar is a different product. And if they decide to sell normal licenses, I will be among first in line. Not under current circumstances. Likely this will get locked soon, so if you wish(Sock Monkey) , PM me and I will locate and show you a copy of that letter, if you never received it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andi Rock Posted Sunday at 02:15 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:15 AM (edited) 5 hours ago, Misha said: In the first Bandlab public letter email Mr. Meng mentioned "decades" (as in plural), as far as Cakewalk by Bandlab goes . To be true to his words, he (Mr. Kuok Meng Ru) needs to have it available for "free" at least until 2038, as letter was signed by him. Sonar is a different product. And if they decide to sell normal licenses, I will be among first in line. Not under current circumstances. Likely this will get locked soon, so if you wish(Sock Monkey) , PM me and I will locate and show you a copy of that letter, if you never received it. I just don't get it I feel like it's people getting their panties in a bunch. If you plan on using the software for years and years then you are going to upgrade it every year anyway if you are that kind of user. So just pay the subscription and call it good. How on Earth do you not understand that giving your **** away for free is not a good business model? Yes somebody from a different company that went bankrupt promised you that 10 years ago...let it go. Would you rather like a hundred people on the planet get Cakewalk for free forever while it goes bankrupt? The way I see it it's like asking your friend that's in a band for a free CD instead of giving them $10 for it to support. Edited Sunday at 02:18 AM by Andi Rock 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted Sunday at 02:47 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:47 AM They really should teach basic business economics in school. As well as logic and critical thinking. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberwolf Posted Sunday at 03:42 AM Share Posted Sunday at 03:42 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, Andi Rock said: If you plan on using the software for years and years then you are going to upgrade it every year anyway if you are that kind of user. Not everyone does that (I don't). If something already has the features required for a user, they don't need to upgrade (which always has risks that something they use gets deprecated or broken), and they may choose not to upgrade regularly, or even ever, unless some feature they really want (or need) finally gets implemented the way they want/need it to be (which may never happen). Upgrade-itis is a problem with many people, but not everyone. That said--I agree with the rest of your post. Edited Sunday at 03:43 AM by Amberwolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted Sunday at 03:46 AM Share Posted Sunday at 03:46 AM Dear Andi Rock. #1 people complain about lifetime licenses and Gibson saga, yet some saying how great and trustworthy bandlab is. I am just an observer. All I am saying, time will show, if the boss keeps the written word. If I live that long to find out of course. #2 I am ready to purchase a Sonar licence if it's priced similar to competitors, to show my support. Or even pay for current version of Cakewalk with a promise that it will not spy on me and activation will not expire. I am not interested in pay per view entertainment. If you like current model, great for you. It's just I will not rent software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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