Ben Chase Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) I created the "As soon as you go perpetual, I'm in." topic yesterday and Misha kindly directed me to a post in another thread, in which Ashwin Rao of Bandlab shared a link that could be used to provide feedback/make requests about such things: https://help.cakewalk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new I was very encouraged by the response I got. Here is the exchange... Me: Hi, I have been a Cakewalk/SONAR/Cakewalk by BandLab user for more than 20 years. I am grateful that BandLab kept it alive and would be more than happy to pay for it again. I'm unwilling, however, to adopt the subscription model and believe there are a lot of users with similar feelings. Please bring back perpetual licenses as an option, so that we can benefit from updates and you can benefit from our business. Thank you, Ben Lois (Cakewalk): Hi there, Thank you for your long-term support of Cakewalk/SONAR/Cakewalk by BandLab. We appreciate your feedback and understand your concerns about the subscription model. Currently, we are still finalizing the pricing model for the new Cakewalk Sonar. We value input from our users and will consider all feedback as we move forward. Please stay tuned for updates, and feel free to reach out if you have any more questions or suggestions. Best regards, Lois If anyone else is interested in there being a perpetual-license option, please use the link above to make your feelings known. Thanks! Edited September 8 by Ben Chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIM Productions Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 I have been happy for 25 years with Sonar and would continue even happier with the full license, hopefully it will be ready soon🫰 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwallie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 they've been finalising this forever 🙄 imo there's no permi license coming, to bl as a business it doesn't make sense 🤷♀️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John T Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 The thing that puts me off the subscription is that I use a DAW to make a living, every day. And given how erratic what I make a living at is, cash flow problems do happen. So if my main work software is going to lock up and stop me working abruptly because of a missed payment, that's not good. May seem a fringe case, and it is, but these things do happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwallie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 45 minutes ago, John T said: I use a DAW to make a living you're not their target market 🤷♀️ but they don't have the guts to tell the long time users, your one-off payment means nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) I think they have, don’t you? Music generation today is AI and loop/sample. This breed of music makers don’t mind rental. Different world for them. Edited September 8 by Terry Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John T Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 I'd like to distance myself from any themes of "cakewalk are lying cowards" and "kids don't make real music any more" emerging in this thread. I don't believe either of those things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwallie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 8 minutes ago, John T said: "cakewalk are lying cowards" that's quite a stretch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwallie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 20 minutes ago, Terry Kelley said: Music product generation today is AI and loop/sample ftfy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwallie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 11 minutes ago, John T said: I don't believe either of those things. what's your idea then, what do you think is happening at blhq, other than ignoring us? you/we still can't get a perpetual license, even though we've been asking since forever without a clear response (other than "oh, we're considering it" for a long time now) it's the same as they did when they dropped project5 - how long will you give it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John T Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 It might be time to get over the discontinuation of Project five two decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezerekted Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 In before the lock c'mon, get me IBTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 11 minutes ago, pwalpwal said: what's your idea then, what do you think is happening at blhq, other than ignoring us? i filled out the form with request for perpetual licenses and got a nice response which included the words like "we're looking into the options". so there is hope. but meanwhile i'm using Sonar to get work done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwallie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 4 minutes ago, John T said: It might be time to get over the discontinuation of Project five two decades ago. Unless it's still relevant 🤷♂️ Same feedback from the bakers about what's coming Still, what's your take on all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwallie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Just now, Glenn Stanton said: i filled out the form with request for perpetual licenses and got a nice response which included the words like "we're looking into the options". so there is hope. but meanwhile i'm using Sonar to get work done. Didn't we all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwallie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 3 hours ago, pwalpwal said: they've been finalising this forever 🙄 imo there's no permi license coming, to bl as a business it doesn't make sense 🤷♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Chase Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 Hi, pwalpwal. I get that your take is that it's not going to happen and you may well be right. Time will tell. Please consider moving along, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwallie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 oi'll get orf yor laand, good luck to everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookiee Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Oh look a rabbit hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 11 hours ago, John T said: The thing that puts me off the subscription is that I use a DAW to make a living, every day. And given how erratic what I make a living at is, cash flow problems do happen. So if my main work software is going to lock up and stop me working abruptly because of a missed payment, that's not good. May seem a fringe case, and it is, but these things do happen. I can open a Sonar project in a Cakewalk version from 2009. I don't think there is a likelihood of it preventing anyone from working. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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