Heath Row Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Alan Tubbs said: It looks like things are getting clearer. @ $150 a year or @15 per month for the nu sonar and all of Bandlab stuff. Or continue to use CbB for free until ms changes something vital and fails to work. Now all bandlab has to do is add a perpetual license to the options and leave nu sonar operable once the lease period ends. there are plenty of users willing to shell out $150 to $180 to keep Bandlab rolling for another year. From the FAQ "Cakewalk by BandLab will continue to be free without a subscription requirement. While the software will continue receiving essential maintenance updates, no new feature development is planned as we prioritize advancements in Cakewalk Next and Cakewalk Sonar." I'd take that as they would likely take care of the MS changes? Edited June 14 by Heath Row Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmmatt1 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I too thought learning a new DAW would be a huge lift (after 30 years on Cakewalk)...but as others have said, once you understand 'how to do things' (in Cakewalk or whichever DAW), it's mostly just a matter of looking up different keystrokes and maybe a slightly different workflow. I was finally starting to make good progress on my recording backlog with CbB and had no intention of moving. Ever. Now, I find investigating new DAW's to be sort of a new interest. But it's a distraction to the end goal: 'getting my music to done'. I agree with the above posts that suggest our small segment of "Old-timers against Subscriptions" (OTAS) is likely irrelevant to them. But they could still do the right thing - and turn off the 'digital leash' to Singapore! Then we would know we could keep CbB running forever on an isolated box if we wanted to. All of this has really just been an unnecessary distraction/stress to the fragile creative process IMO. And for that, I do not want to give any of my dwindling funds to this company. But I do think CbB was a really great DAW...that I know inside and out. I just cannot sign up for another monthly bill. Nor can I be worried that my DAW may be yanked away at any time from some foreign land. So I really have no choice but to move to a different DAW now. I guess that is what Bandlab really meant by 'the Democratization of Music'? Hold loyal customers hostage? OK, got it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 (edited) Here we all are 1 year later and it’s been a huge distraction for many. Notice there’s rarely a thread started asking an actual question about USING Sonar. Most of them are dug up from the dungeon. Views of all my how to use Cakewalk Tutorials have dropped right off the map. Very little interest in Next too. I guess that statement about CbB is actually the best news of all! It seems they might have changed their mind about killing it completely and it will now kept as a sort of free demo for Sonar. The key words that were not included in past statements is that it will still receive a updates. This implies a longer lifespan than I originally expected. Good news. I wouldn’t get my hopes up that they would remove the activation. Edit: Instead of speculating I asked and was told the 30 day cycle will still happen but without the big splash screen, just a polite toast. It is a small price to pay for using a free Daw as powerful as Cakewalk. Please don't anybody complain about this. Be happy! Cakewalk will still be available and free. This is the best news in a whole year! Edited June 15 by John Vere 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Tubbs Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 All bets are off with os changes and CbB. I’ve lost plenty of software when they had updated versions MS. Of course that has been a while so I would think CbB will work for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 A long as CbB works, I’m in. Should a permanent license option for Sonar be presented, I'd buy it. Should CbB for some reason stop working without a permanent license option being available for Sonar, I would evaluate my alternatives. But the statement made by Jesse Jost, about CbB remaining free and even receive essential maintenance updates, is to me reassuring enough to keep using it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) CbB does pretty much what I need it to do at the point where it is now but I'm still going to hang onto the membership for a little while anyway. Who knows what kind of improvements they're working on for the future? Also, the "Digital Leash to Singapore" might be the only way they will be able to keep the CbB maintenance updates going on to insure continuity in case ms changes something. I don't think that will be an issue for a while. We have options now and we know them. That's good news. 😀John B Edited June 14 by Johnbee58 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Faughey Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 hours ago, jmmatt1 said: I too thought learning a new DAW would be a huge lift (after 30 years on Cakewalk)...but as others have said, once you understand 'how to do things' (in Cakewalk or whichever DAW), it's mostly just a matter of looking up different keystrokes and maybe a slightly different workflow. I was finally starting to make good progress on my recording backlog with CbB and had no intention of moving. Ever. Now, I find investigating new DAW's to be sort of a new interest. But it's a distraction to the end goal: 'getting my music to done'. I agree with the above posts that suggest our small segment of "Old-timers against Subscriptions" (OTAS) is likely irrelevant to them. But they could still do the right thing - and turn off the 'digital leash' to Singapore! Then we would know we could keep CbB running forever on an isolated box if we wanted to. All of this has really just been an unnecessary distraction/stress to the fragile creative process IMO. And for that, I do not want to give any of my dwindling funds to this company. But I do think CbB was a really great DAW...that I know inside and out. I just cannot sign up for another monthly bill. Nor can I be worried that my DAW may be yanked away at any time from some foreign land. So I really have no choice but to move to a different DAW now. I guess that is what Bandlab really meant by 'the Democratization of Music'? Hold loyal customers hostage? OK, got it. i actuall dont mind paying for it, but the looks of it are just killing me! i am not into the 2D vibe at all. i have checked out Luna, and Harrison.. i still like the workflow in sonar, but i wont pay for it if i am not diggin the way it looks. i know its about making music, but if i have to stare at something for 12+ hours sometimes, i need to be a little inspired. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIM Productions Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 7 minutes ago, John Faughey said: i actuall dont mind paying for it, but the looks of it are just killing me! i am not into the 2D vibe at all. i have checked out Luna, and Harrison.. i still like the workflow in sonar, but i wont pay for it if i am not diggin the way it looks. i know its about making music, but if i have to stare at something for 12+ hours sometimes, i need to be a little inspired. Perfect sir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 24 minutes ago, John Faughey said: i actuall dont mind paying for it, but the looks of it are just killing me! i am not into the 2D vibe at all. i have checked out Luna, and Harrison.. i still like the workflow in sonar, but i wont pay for it if i am not diggin the way it looks. i know its about making music, but if i have to stare at something for 12+ hours sometimes, i need to be a little inspired. My thoughts exactly - When I look at it it , it makes my eyes feel like my glasses need cleaning 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I agree that I'd like to see the UI improve with more theme options. 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 8 hours ago, Heath Row said: From the FAQ For the life of me I can’t find the FAQ. How about a link, please. t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Row Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 2 hours ago, DeeringAmps said: For the life of me I can’t find the FAQ. How about a link, please. t It's not much of a FAQ, and I'm sure you must have seen it and perhaps just overlooked it, anyway, it's at the bottom of the Sonar page https://www.cakewalk.com/sonar and the part quote I used is in the FAQ entitled 'Is Cakewalk Sonar replacing Cakewalk by BandLab?' Happy days 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 35 minutes ago, Heath Row said: perhaps just overlooked it, Doh! that’ll teach me to cursor all the way to the bottom of the page! thank you, t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 (edited) I was thinking about how I better remember to cancel my Bandlab Backstage pass in a few weeks. As I said it’s a bit more than $20 for me in Canadian funds. It's Summer and I won't be in the studio much. It's live gigging season. Then I realized that I’ve now spent $100 on Sonar! I don’t own it and when I end my membership it will cease to function. So 5 months $100. Ya I could have taken the bait on the discount offer and had 12 months for about $160 Can. But I was one of the fools who believed we would be able to purchase it by now. But it really drives home the fact that subscribing is the stupidest way to use software for me. $100! poof- gone and nothing to show. Edited June 15 by John Vere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 27 minutes ago, John Vere said: One year and thousands of plays I got a credit of $5.00 on DistroKid. Oh and there’s another subscription to pay. I've had stuff that's been viewed millions of times on Youtube and the royalties were under £10 so I don't think Bandlab are stealing your money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 Nobody is stealing, it’s just a bad contract! Sign here boys and we’ll look after everything for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIM Productions Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 In my opinion the sales policy they are choosing is absurd, but I am convinced that there are intelligent people on the Sonar staff, so I hope that soon there will be a purchasable version, I have 3 releases for the next few months and among my partners there is no not even a studio that has a rental DAW. I cross my fingers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr No Name Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Isn't pro tools rental daw for professional studios, some of these people pay over $1000 per year for it, so I believe, The Industry standard. all tax deductable of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 What's weird is you don't seem to be able to purchase it on the Avid web site. Its all Subscriptions. But you can purchase a perpetual license from vendors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) John -- you gotta start charging more at the gigs to cover your winter hobbies 🙂 Edited June 15 by Glenn Stanton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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