OutrageProductions Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 A few of y'all seriously have ur panties in a bunch over something which you have no control. Let it go. Que Sera, Sera. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I refuse to burry that horse until it starts to smell. There is a very good chance it just needs a prince's kiss to wake up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIM Productions Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Hi everyone, I've been using CBB since it was called Pro Audio 9 and I was a beta tester in the Gibson period, for me Sonar Platinum was a milestone in anticipating the very latest professional technical solutions of the "industry standard" DAW. Perhaps you have read my posts on the surprise regarding the graphics, a matter of taste, but another doubt that I have these days seeing the commercial path that Bandlab is following is that of the lack of clarity.... when you manage to find the page with the pop up for membership, in the features it doesn't even mention Sonar, but the first thing you see is that with Membership, the phone can have 32 tracks instead of 16, this way of marketing is shocking, in my opinion..... I think that Bandlab doesn't remember how many professionals like me use CBB every day for important projects, both production and composition and for third party clients... it seems to be in a shop for young people who approach audio more than anything for podcast....I don't know, maybe it's me who continues to consider Sonar a wonderful and extremely reliable partner, I would like to hear the opinion of Noel, a fundamental part of this company. Sunday thoughts....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) Don’t get me wrong. I too am disappointed with BL’s subscription only pricing and being tethered to their servers to work, but I can’t change it. It’s been made clear here on the forum that CbB will be disabled at some point. We weren’t promised free forever and few of us thought it would remain free. And nowhere has any of our bitching and moaning changed any of that. And lord knows I’ve done plenty of that here. Frankly, I am here only to see if they change those policies but I have already switched to another DAW that serves my needs as well as Cakewalk/Sonar. I could come back if it becomes something I want again. I guess I should reword that. I am here to see them finally confirm it will not be available outside of a subscription. Edited June 9 by Terry Kelley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 hours ago, Terry Kelley said: I am here to see them finally confirm it will not be available outside of a subscription. Well, so am I, but I also want to know approximate expiration of Cakewalk by Bandlab - so I can plan ahead. Still hope it's just some sort of internal locomotion and other non sub "options" will be introduced shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Me too but after a year I chose to make my move. Someday they might tell us something different but if they said nothing, they still have a product available via subscription. We will see someday ... maybe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) As said in another thread (!10 of them?) What is your plan B? If you follow my You Tube channel you will see I’ve be sharing ideas about what you can do while growing old waiting for any solid answers about Sonar. Plan B for me is 1- I have already purchased a backup DAW. Mixcraft. I also have Cubase 7. Mixbus 7 , ProTools first and Waveform. 2-I’m in the process of backing up all my CWP files as a midi files and stems. I have successfully opened these in various other DAWs with out much missing. It’s time consuming but easy . 3-I have Sonar X3 which is the last version you can trust will activate with out the internet involved. Splat requires activation using CCC. This would allow me to still open projects I somehow failed to transfer using #2. 4- I own 2 Digital 8 track recorders and lots of midi hardware . Cause you know what gang? We represent possibly a hugely insignificant user base that in in big picture won’t matter what we decide to do to Bandlab. They probably have 2 million people paying the Membership fees and so from their perspective Sonar is a huge success already. The dozen people here threatening them is sort of laughable. We just need to make our own personal choices and see what happens and not get screwed by it all by having a plan B! I’ve stopped worrying and thinking about it now I have my plan B working smoothly. Edited June 10 by John Vere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 John, You sold your soul to the devil signed up for subscription. I respect the choice you made, but I will not do that. Of course there are many DAWs out there. Likely the closest for me is Studio One. Why I am still hesitating: 1) Two+ decades of projects. 2) Particular take lane recording that is only found in Cakewalk. 3)Familiar workflow.. 4) There is at least some truth to initial humble letter by Bandlab sent to the "core of dedicated Cakewalk users" in 2018. (See my "Blast from the past" post if you need to refresh your memory) 5)Still hope they (Bandlab) have decency to reply to numerous concerns from several angles of worried current customers. At least give some clarity on what already had been said in the past few months, so some of us can plan ahead. 6)I don't want to purchase 2 DAWs in a year, if Sonar normal licenses are coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbob Blues Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 hours ago, Misha said: John, You sold your soul to the devil signed up for subscription. I respect the choice you made, but I will not do that. Of course there are many DAWs out there. Likely the closest for me is Studio One. Why I am still hesitating: 1) Two+ decades of projects. 2) Particular take lane recording that is only found in Cakewalk. 3)Familiar workflow.. 4) There is at least some truth to initial humble letter by Bandlab sent to the "core of dedicated Cakewalk users" in 2018. (See my "Blast from the past" post if you need to refresh your memory) 5)Still hope they (Bandlab) have decency to reply to numerous concerns from several angles of worried current customers. At least give some clarity on what already had been said in the past few months, so some of us can plan ahead. 6)I don't want to purchase 2 DAWs in a year, if Sonar normal licenses are coming soon. If someone was going to reply to you don't you think they would have done it by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Jimbob, I don't think anything. It's my firm belief that Bandlab owes "dedicated core of long-term Sonar users" (Bandlab (c)) some clarity. Not answering those calls, again in my view, dampens their reputation as a company that made certain pledges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptheisen Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 I must be in an agreeable mood today. Misha, I agree with you that Bandlab should be giving clear answers to their long-term Sonar users, and that their lack of response dampens their reputation. However, you are assuming that their eventual answers will be what you are hoping for. Bandlab is probably in a position where they've known the answers for quite a while, and the answers are not what a lot of people are hoping for, so they think it is better to just not say anything. In that respect, I agree with Jimbob. If the answers were what you are hoping for, they would have given them by now. Which leads me to agreeing with John Vere, you probably need to start not just thinking about, but acting upon, your plan B. I started on my plan B about 6 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) i think we should remember - Bandlab bought the SONAR product intellectual property from Gibson after Gibson abandoned the SONAR users. and they generously provided the current "Cakewalk by Bandlab" to those aboandoned SONAR folks a free version of the updated product along with numerous fixes for that past 5 years or so. while the development team has been pretty much the same group of good people who have been managing the technical aspects of this transition, the Bandlab executives know (or care is perhaps the better word) little or nothing of the previous owners of SONAR agreements to their SONAR consumers (whom the Gibson company abandoned). so, it seems odd that people have an expectation that besides the IP bought, that the committment made by another entity (Gibson et al) was also "purchased" as an "incurred debt" to SONAR users. in practical terms, Bandlab doesn't owe SONAR users anything. but they did it anyways. for 5+ years. remind us how long Gibson milked it for the money before leaving us behind? i can say solely for myself - i'm grateful that i had a fairly stable DAW for these past 5+ years, for free. and as i decide on staying or going, i'm looking at a number of free and paid DAW products, and frankly, if i have to pay, i'm inclined to stay because when i look at the workflows / paradigms of other products, then visit their forums (and see most of them have actual mayhem going on there), i feel very confident the "grass is not greener on the field over the hill"... i especially feel bad for the Apple users who get doubly screwed - Apple in the front, DAW vendors (who "support" multiple OSes) from behind (or perhaps they simply tag team it, either way not a pretty visual and seriously not as much fun as it sounds like) anyways my 2¢. back to my popcorn, sorry to interrupt, continue the show. Edited June 10 by Glenn Stanton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 agree, nothing free expected, but the lack of communication sucks 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Ludwig Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 My plan B is cubase 13. I'm working on an album now, 7 tunes in Sonar, 7 in cubase. I don't like it but I'm paying the 15 per month because I have over 100 cwps that I want access to. I don't trust that cbb will always be there, they could easily shut it down. It's a shame, I like the new Sonar and I'd like to buy it, but bl won't let me and won't tell me why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moddelmog Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Nothing free expected, but the payment model is not what is wanted. I have yet to see a user on these forums or in any CW social media groups say they were hoping for a subscription model. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John T Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 I'll say it! It's miles easier for me to pay small monthly amount than a single price up front. Obviously, the specific terms may or may not be favourable, but I have no fundamental objections at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) I don’t think Bandlab’s challenge will be keeping us old timers but pulling in people from other DAWs. I suspect most that bailed with the Gibson fiasco won’t return. They didn’t like it then and probably don’t like it now. But new people are born and might go with Sonar. Edited June 10 by Terry Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John T Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 As a side note to that, though: I haven't yet signed up for the Backstage Pass thing, because I agree with the general feeling that there's not enough clarity on what's happening. I mean, go to the Bandlab homepage, and tell me how many clicks it takes you to get to *any* information at all about Next and Sonar. It's like they don't exist. I'm kind of going to need the company to show a bit more enthusiastic support for their product before I put any cash down. https://www.bandlab.com/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 10 minutes ago, Steve Moddelmog said: Nothing free expected, but the payment model is not what is wanted. agree, but the payment model is up to bandlab, they're a subscription-oriented online-oriented creator-oriented youth-oriented business, we ( ancient sonar users) don't even hit the board 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIM Productions Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 8 minutes ago, John T said: I mean, go to the Bandlab homepage, and tell me how many clicks it takes you to get to *any* information at all about Next and Sonar. It's like they don't exist. exactly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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