TTS-1 Works In Old Projects But Crashes New Ones.

[davet]

I've seen TTS-1 at the top of the synth list as well. Must be a setting somewhere.  I'm certain that this got broken on a prior update, but since it's not supported I

wouldn't expect a fix.  Probably time to move on to Sampletank or similar. Thanks for the work Terry. 

[mdiemer]

I just tried inserting TTS-1 via Synth View/rack, and it immediately crashed Cakewalk. However, inserting it that way in a new project worked. Suggesting some setting in my older projects is the culprit.

[abacab]

Maybe check out the utility called "ProjectScope" that was written by a Sonar user to examine some details about a .cwp project file. As is, no support freeware.

It still works on the latest version of Windows 10 and the latest version of .cwp files saved by CbB.

Lists the project notes, tracks & type, plugins, and wav files used by the project. Not a programmer's tool, but a simple look inside a Cakewalk project for the user by scrolling through a folder rather than having to open the project files in CbB.

The projectscope.exe download is available here: https://www.adamczyk.com/miscellaneous-files

 

[Terry Kelley]

I did check out Project Scope and noticed the problem project shows a Matrix Data track  and a No Name track as 22 and 23. My project has no 22 or 23. I don't know if this means anything. The instant TTS has to play a note it crashes.

022    Matrix Data Track    MIDI
023    [no name - track nn]    MIDI

Edited December 20, 2019 by Terry Kelley

[Terry Kelley]

Still working on this. There appears to be nothing I can remove or change to make TTS not crash on it's first note. I've removed all effects and all other synths. I've messed with as many settings as I can. I know the config file contains many more but not all are intuitive on what they do. But this makes me think (similar to Mdiemer) that it's something inherent in the project now.

The crash is a memory access violation. The TTS-1 dll is either sitting somewhere it shouldn't or Cakewalk is accessing memory it shouldn't thinking the TTS is there.  As long as no notes are triggered, everything is fine. File lock? Maybe some other app sees the TTS and is locking it? I'm just guessing.

I will start from scratch building a new project to see if I can get it to crash at some point. Where's Codeview when I need it! Yes, I know, don't say it.

 

Edit1: Freezing the TTS will make it crash. No notes needed.

Edited December 20, 2019 by Terry Kelley

[John Vere]

The OPEN automatically with TTS-1 is actually not that well documented. I couldn't figure out why it only worked sometimes until thanks to the forum &  scook who pointed out the secret was having nothing checked in midi devices outputs. 

I only use TTS-1 for preview purposes. I certainly haven't used it in a song or backing track for a long while. 

I open the project and if I decide to use it I simply populate the project using my Track templates for each part and then point the appropriate tracks to those. The sonic difference is huge right away. 

I've done this as an experiment using only Cakewalk supplied instruments like Dim Pro and the SI stuff. Pretty much Dim Pro can replace most of the weird stuff in TTS-1 but because it's not GM it's a lot of work finding sounds. But once you have them you make a track template and name it  Horn Section or Flute etc. 

I also use a very inexpensive synth called Air Xpand. It's always on sale for under $20 and it has a huge library of very usable sounds. https://www.jrrshop.com/air-music-tech-xpand-2   It might go on sale Boxing day for $9.00. 

One of the big differences is the built in effects are always much better on anything other than the TTS-1.

I hope it keeps working forever as for me it's an important tool and huge time saver for previewing songs. 

 

[Terry Kelley]

8 hours ago, John Vere said:

...

I also use a very inexpensive synth called Air Xpand. It's always on sale for under $20 and it has a huge library of very usable sounds. https://www.jrrshop.com/air-music-tech-xpand-2   It might go on sale Boxing day for $9.00. 

One of the big differences is the built in effects are always much better on anything other than the TTS-1.

I hope it keeps working forever as for me it's an important tool and huge time saver for previewing songs.

Reading about this. Sounds interesting. And no iLok!

 

Well, after saying it doesn't use iLok, it does.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Terry Kelley

[Terry Kelley]

For $15, I'll tolerate it. But back to the TTS.

[Terry Kelley]

Well, well. Sonar 8 plays the file fine. What does this tell me? Not a d&^% thing!

 

Update - The file crashes on my buddy's CbB and works on his Sonar 8. There you have it.

Edited December 23, 2019 by Terry Kelley

[Michael Vogel]

On 10/13/2019 at 5:03 AM, abacab said:

TTS-1 has always been a DXi only, available in 32 or 64-bit. Unless you use a VST wrapper, the only other host I know of that will load a native DXi is Reaper.

As far as what you have installed, you can always check whether it's installed in your 32-bit or 64-bit Cakewalk/Shared DXi folder.

 

I think Sound Forge and Acid Pro both load DX plugins.

[John Vere]

On 12/22/2019 at 6:01 AM, pwalpwal said:

yeah... no actual physical dongle, but all the crappy pace software

I myself have never had issue with the authorization of Air software. Yes you have to install the ilok app but once you authorize you can then forget it exists. I think it asked for an update 2x in the 5 years I've had it. I also like that I can use the ilok to authorize different computers without much hassle.  It's almost just as easy as using a USB dongle without wasting a port.  

This is not so with others like XLN on line installer.  I tried to run the demo version of Addictive drums and Keys on a machine that once was fully authorized and the activation app won't let me past the "you already have this on 2 machines" warning. Tried wiping everything to do with XLN from the machine and it comes back so must be buried in the registry.  

[MR]

Me TTS-1 always crash if open parell over 2 project (3,4 etc) with once TTS-1 one for project. Switch betwen projects and play/stop and crash witch error 0x0000005 (some on load next project ) .  Im tested RAM harddisk etc. - no problem (on other application too no problem) . This bug is over 1,5 year. Sorry for english (google translate ☺️).

[chris.r]

I was trying to copy TTS-1 instrument track from one project to another and Cakewalk crashed. Clean Win10 install, new projects just created.

[abacab]

On 12/23/2019 at 3:32 AM, Michael Vogel ( MUDGEL) said:

I think Sound Forge and Acid Pro both load DX plugins.

You are probably correct, but since you called me out, I will clarify that my comment made in October about DXi hosts was actually a bit off topic and irrelevant, and was just an offhand remark. Listing  DXi hosts not being a materially important fact related to a thread pertaining to the discussion of TTS-1 performance in Cakewalk..  So I stand corrected in that regard. It was incomplete.

The OP had asked if TTS-1 was DXi or VST, or both, and if 32-bit vs 64-bit. I believe the answer supplied was sufficient at the time.

[martsave martin s]

TTS-1 always crash me too

[Michael Vogel]

8 hours ago, abacab said:

You are probably correct, but since you called me out, I will clarify that my comment made in October about DXi hosts was actually a bit off topic and irrelevant, and was just an offhand remark. Listing  DXi hosts not being a materially important fact related to a thread pertaining to the discussion of TTS-1 performance in Cakewalk..  So I stand corrected in that regard. It was incomplete.

The OP had asked if TTS-1 was DXi or VST, or both, and if 32-bit vs 64-bit. I believe the answer supplied was sufficient at the time.

How did I call you out?  Just added info about other DX hosts. Even then I underlined think as I wasn’t sure. 

[Michael Vogel]

On 1/10/2020 at 10:20 PM, pwalpwal said:

not me but how do you think he thinks you called him out?

Have absolutely no idea. I’ve read my post a few times but can’t work out how I called anyone out. In any case certainly not my intention. Simply adding some extra appropriate info.  At least that’s what I think. 
Now I remember why I stopped going upstairs. Time to pull my head in again and shut up. 

[abacab]

On 1/11/2020 at 9:52 PM, Michael Vogel ( MUDGEL) said:

Have absolutely no idea. I’ve read my post a few times but can’t work out how I called anyone out. In any case certainly not my intention. Simply adding some extra appropriate info.  At least that’s what I think. 
Now I remember why I stopped going upstairs. Time to pull my head in again and shut up. 

No big deal, really. But anytime you quote somebody in a forum, and then make a statement regarding that quote, or by adding corrections, etc., you are "calling them out" (i.e. calling attention to their post).

The quoted individual then respectfully deserves an opportunity to clarify their  statement.

However, no offense taken.  Didn't intend for the phrase "calling out" to be negative, just that it sometimes begs a response.

Nave a nice day!

[Terry Kelley]

"Calling someone out" is generally taken as a challenge and in a negative light. It's just one of those perceptions. "Calling out" is pointing something out.

Welcome to English - the most dysfunctional language in the 8  planet alliance!

[T-J]

Funny... TTS worked yesterday, but no today. Now CW crashes like mentioned in this thread, on first note on TTS-1 track.

I haven’t installed anything within 12h hours, no new plugins nor Win10 has updated itself (nor any other software, I checked).

Now TTS-1 crashes on first note the whole CW. Same project I was working yesterday.

Well, I don’t actually need TTS, I have used to keep it to play melodies, but as I googled this, I found this and few other threads about it, but no cause? I tried to delete all but one instance of TTS-1 .ddl also, no help.

Well.. just that you know.. seem to be common issue