How do I prevent TTS-1 to be added automatically to MIDI-files?

[Anders Svensson]

Hey!

I'm using a hardware GM-synth connected to my default MIDI-port for GM stuff. I use this for a lot of vocal arrangement stuff that only needs MIDI-data. Since some time ago, every time I open a MIDI-file, CbB adds the TTS-1 software synth automatically, and I need to remove the synth track from the timeline, which is quite annoying.

Is there an option to disable this automatic TTS-1 assignment? If not, why not?

[Xoo]

Import the MIDI file not open if I remember correctly.

[User 905133]

I don't know if there's an official way, but I just created a cwp file with a single, empty midi track and set the preferences to a hardware midi out port. I then went into a Windows folder and double clicked an old midi file I did in 1999.  TTS-1 did not open up; all tracks seem to be going to my designated MIDI Output port.  Although I have some old Roland GM/GS, I haven't hooked it up to test yet.  But based on the led on my midi interface, it should work.

I don't use cwt [template] files because I use cwps.  But maybe you can do the same with a cwt file.

 

[David Baay]

CbB is loading TTS-1 because the GM/GS Wavetable is not longer supported in CbB so its MIDI port is not available and you have no other hardware MIDI ports available. If you don't want to use TTS-1, you'll need to get an external hardware GM sound module or a multitimbral keyboard synth with a GM mode.

[John Vere]

This is simple. Choose any midi output that shows in preferences Midi devices. The TTS-1 only loads when nothing is selected. 
This is by design for people with hardware devices connected. 
Never import a midi file. You loose important data like tempo. Always open midi files. 
Importing is for existing projects to bring in midi tracks or clips. 

[David Baay]

8 minutes ago, John Vere said:

This is by design for people with hardware devices connected. 

I think you mean for people with NO hardware MIDI devices connected.

[Terry Kelley]

Or just let it load and delete it. You're going to have to point the tracks to other VSTs anyway so it a simple additional step.

Edited January 31, 2024 by Terry Kelley

[User 905133]

52 minutes ago, User 905133 said:

. . . went into a Windows folder and double clicked an old midi file I did in 1999.  TTS-1 did not open up; all tracks seem to be going to my designated MIDI Output port.  Although I have some old Roland GM/GS, I haven't hooked it up to test yet.  But based on the led on my midi interface, it should work.

Just like I said, it worked.  My tune played once I connected the midi out to a Roland M-GS64.

Next (after closing out my tune), I selected File > New and chose a default template that has no tracks or busses, and loaded in a midi file for Elgar's Pomp and Circumstances.  It has 17 tracks.  TTS-1 did not open. CbB played the midi file.

I don't understand what's so difficult about this.  It does what it has done for decades.  

Edited January 31, 2024 by User 905133

[Promidi]

2 hours ago, Anders Svensson said:

Hey!

I'm using a hardware GM-synth connected to my default MIDI-port for GM stuff. I use this for a lot of vocal arrangement stuff that only needs MIDI-data. Since some time ago, every time I open a MIDI-file, CbB adds the TTS-1 software synth automatically, and I need to remove the synth track from the timeline, which is quite annoying.

Is there an option to disable this automatic TTS-1 assignment? If not, why not?

I open MIDI files all the time in Cakewalk and the MIDI tracks it creates are always routed to my hardware MIDI device (which, in turn, is routed to my external Yamaha XG device)

In Preferences > MIDI > Instruments, do you have all channels listed under “Output/Channel”

I am assuming that your Hardware MIDI device is always enabled under Preferences - MIDI - Devices > Outputs.

[John Vere]

1 hour ago, David Baay said:

I think you mean for people with NO hardware MIDI devices connected.

I was saying it is by design because this goes way back in time for Cakewalk/ Sonar.

If you are a hardware user, as most of us were not long ago, then you would always have a midi interface connected so all your midi files when opened automatically were sent there and played through the hardware. 

But if you didn’t have a midi interface or a USB midi device connected  one option was the  TTS-1 be loaded up.

But the GS wavetable synth often played because it was a Midi output option checked by default up until recently.
 

We had to always tell people to uncheck it so the TTS-1 would then open. 

So by design this is so people without Midi hardware would not complain about no sound. 
 

But many audio interfaces have midi ports that users are not using but they are checked as outputs. Those will prevent the TTS-1 from loading. 
The OP is the first one I’ve seen complaining in reverse. They simply need to check the box for their midi interface or if using USB midi devices leave them turned on before opening Cakewalk so it will connect them . 

Now we are getting complaints because the GS Wavetable has been removed from Cakewalk. If it was still there and checked the OP would be happy because no TTS-1 
It’s interesting that it is still available in other software. 

Edited January 31, 2024 by John Vere

[David Baay]

7 minutes ago, John Vere said:

So by design this is so people without Midi hardware would not complain about no sound. 

Yes, by design for people without hardware; originally you wrote "people with hardware". That's what I was correcting

[Bristol_Jonesey]

19 hours ago, Terry Kelley said:

Or just let it load and delete it. You're going to have to point the tracks to other VSTs anyway so it a simple additional step.

Or simply right click the synth icon and choose Replace Synth

Edited January 31, 2024 by Bristol_Jonesey

[John Vere]

4 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Or simply right click the synth icon and choose Replace Synth

That actually would not work with a midi file as they are generally multi track and instruments. 

Let’s just wait for the OP to return. They will probably freak out at how long the thread became 

Edited February 1, 2024 by John Vere

[Terry Kelley]

Then everybody be quiet and see if he notices!

[Anders Svensson]

Oh, hey guys!
I just went back to this thread after little over a year, and saw all your answers! Thanks for this! Though, it seems the problem remains!

If I understand you correctly, the TTS-1 VST synth should not be added if I have any MIDI Device Outputs selected, right? I usually have three MIDI outputs selected. One is my main MIDI (GM/XG) hardware synth, one is a MIDI controller and the last is another keyboard. Please see the attached picture! Still, every time I open a MIDI file, the TTS-1 VST synth is added to my MIDI file.

Since I have my hardware synth always connected, and I prefer that for MIDI playback, I do not want the TTS-1 VST synth to be added to my MIDI files, upon opening them. Am I missing something?

Edited Wednesday at 09:16 PM by Anders Svensson

[Kurre]

A bit peculiar, yes.

Do you use a project template?

If yes. What happens if you open a new project with no extras but the name?

[Anders Svensson]

The problem appears every time I open a MIDI file, regardless if I have any other projects open or not. It doesn't matter if I open the MIDI file by File->Open or through the Cakewalk Start Screen Recent Projects.

I do use some projects templates for my ordinary Cakewalk projects, but such projects are saved as .cwp and not as regular MIDI files. I don't have the TTS-1 problem using .cwp files. It only appears using MIDI (.mid) files.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "no extras but the name".

Thanks!

[Kurre]

Well, we search for a needle in a haystack so i went outside the box and thought of the template project.

A template keeps the settings done on it and opens again with those settings every time. I played with the thought of missing midi out on the template project. That would give a similar result as yours.

[Bass Guitar]

Wow. I'm surprised anyone would answer this after they were rude enough to not answer the first time for a year and  2 months.  

[Anders Svensson]

5 hours ago, Bass Guitar said:

Wow. I'm surprised anyone would answer this after they were rude enough to not answer the first time for a year and  2 months.  

Well, Mr. Bass Guitar, the reason for not answering wasn't because of rudeness, but because I wasn't subscribed to the thread, and didn't think anyone had answered. I was very pleasantly surprised by the activity in this thread and am very thankful, although the core problem still remains.