Is this the future of songwriting? AI?

[Notes_Norton]

It's actually as sappy, simplistic, and as unemotional as a lot of things that are popular.

And like the early CGI images in movies, it'll get better.

They want to put songwriters out of work now.

 

 

[paulo]

1 hour ago, Notes_Norton said:

They want to put songwriters out of work now

That'll be about 50 unemployed per Beyonce album then...

[craigb]

8 hours ago, Notes_Norton said:

Is this the future of songwriting? AI?

I just asked ChatGPT and it said yes. ?

[Notes_Norton]

15 hours ago, craigb said:

I just asked ChatGPT and it said yes. ?

Best answer to date!

[HOOK]

I mean....this was creepy.  Betrayed by this town.  I kinda felt like I was looking at a shooter's manifesto disguised as a music video.  Which, I'm sure, will be next.

[Grem]

The lyrics were disturbing to me. I wasn't going to say anything about that but, everyone else must have felt the way I did. 

The video in the link in the op has flashes of some weird stuff that pops in and out real quick. @30secs, and again 2:31, and again after that towards the end.

I have looked at others video reviews and none of them had those images in them, nor any mention of them. Just wondering who doctored the one in the link in the op. 

[craigb]

10 minutes ago, Grem said:

The lyrics were disturbing to me. I wasn't going to say anything about that but, everyone else must have felt the way I did. 

The video in the link in the op has flashes of some weird stuff that pops in and out real quick. @30secs, and again 2:31, and again after that towards the end.

I have looked at others video reviews and none of them had those images in them, nor any mention of them. Just wondering who doctored the one in the link in the op. 

Tyler Durden? ?

[Grem]

4 minutes ago, craigb said:

Tyler Durden?

I never saw "Fight Club"

However, I know enough about it....

But  I didn't get that. 
 "Fight Club" is on my 'to watch list'. Has been on there for a very long time!! Wife will be at her moms this weekend. Looks like I will be getting something off that list soon.

[craigb]

2 hours ago, Grem said:

I never saw "Fight Club"

However, I know enough about it....

But  I didn't get that. 
 "Fight Club" is on my 'to watch list'. Has been on there for a very long time!! Wife will be at her moms this weekend. Looks like I will be getting something off that list soon.

Tyler worked in a theater and would splice in X-rated blips into the movies he would play.

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by craigb

[Bapu]

I do not need AI to write equally banal lyrics.

[Rain]

People who listen to Bieber and Rihanna probably won't be able to tell the difference. Heck, it might actually turn out to be an improvement.

Me I'm glad I have endless supplies of "new" old music to discover, stuff that I was too dumb to "get" earlier in my life. This way I do not depend on contemporary releases. Right now, I'm still right in the early days of the Gabriel/Hackett era Genesis - in my world, Selling England By The Pound has yet to be released, so I have that and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway to look forward to. It's a very exciting time.

Heck, maybe someday I'll "get" Yes.

[Xoo]

5 hours ago, Rain said:

Heck, maybe someday I'll "get" Yes.

Miracles can happen :-)

I've never been a big Yes fan (apart from 90125) but I do find it's good background music when working late at night - I don't feel the need to really listen to it in anger, but it's engaging enough to have playing.

[Bruno de Souza Lino]

On 12/7/2023 at 11:32 AM, Notes_Norton said:

And like the early CGI images in movies, it'll get better.

I don't think so, at least not in the next 20 years. One of the biggest pitfalls of using AI for generating image sequences is that the algorithm doesn't understand the image sequence you're generating has to be consistent because it's a composition. Which is why you have those weird interpolation and shifting issues with the video. The amount of doctoring necessary to make AI generated stuff passable is so much more work and with multiple people with different skill sets. An example of that was that infamous Corridor Crew video with a clickbait title they changed later (most likely due to heavy criticism) which took them six months in total to create a 4 minute animation which looks like bad rotoscoping. In that time period, they had to train at least two new algos to give them the closest output to what they wanted and had to manually doctor and tweak all generated frames in post or run it through a separate AI which did just that.

[Rain]

2 hours ago, Xoo said:

Miracles can happen ?

I've never been a big Yes fan (apart from 90125) but I do find it's good background music when working late at night - I don't feel the need to really listen to it in anger, but it's engaging enough to have playing.

That's one thing I never managed to do. I remember when I started working for that company in the 2000's and my colleagues were telling how cool things were there because they were allowed to listen to music (using headphones, obviously) while working.

For me unless it's something like a string quartet or a piano concerto, and what I'm doing something is essentially just copying and pasting, I just can't. And most definitely, anything with vocals is right out. 

Heck, I can't even listen to music when I'm eating. A movie or a TV show's just fine, but music completely pulls me in, and my brain's trying to understand and figure out parts, and I get all kinds of visuals, especially if there's guitar, it's like I see the parts being played.

The only exception would be when I'm doing chores around the house, but even then, I tend to drift off and forget what I was doing. Same in the gym.

Edited December 9, 2023 by Rain

[Notes_Norton]

1 hour ago, Rain said:

For me unless it's something like a string quartet or a piano concerto, and what I'm doing something is essentially just copying and pasting, I just can't. And most definitely, anything with vocals is right out. 

Most of my work involves making music. Learning new songs, making the backing tracks for my duo, making aftermarket style/song software for Band-in-a-Box and gigging.

If I'm doing something else that I have to concentrate on, background music is out. Even if it's boring and instrumental. Music just catches my brain and will distract me.

If I don't like the music, I'll try to analyze what is wrong with it and how I would try to 'fix' it.

I've missed important dialog in movies because something interesting was happening with the background music.

 

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[Rain]

31 minutes ago, Notes_Norton said:

I've missed important dialog in movies because something interesting was happening with the background music.

This!

[craigb]

4 hours ago, Rain said:

That's one thing I never managed to do. I remember when I started working for that company in the 2000's and my colleagues were telling how cool things were there because they were allowed to listen to music (using headphones, obviously) while working.

For me unless it's something like a string quartet or a piano concerto, and what I'm doing something is essentially just copying and pasting, I just can't. And most definitely, anything with vocals is right out. 

Heck, I can't even listen to music when I'm eating. A movie or a TV show's just fine, but music completely pulls me in, and my brain's trying to understand and figure out parts, and I get all kinds of visuals, especially if there's guitar, it's like I see the parts being played.

The only exception would be when I'm doing chores around the house, but even then, I tend to drift off and forget what I was doing. Same in the gym.

I'm a bit of the opposite.  Instead of using pharmaceuticals to make my ADHD tolerable to everyone around me (while causing me to be zoned out) I was introduced to computers when I was 7 by a very wise school principal.   This has helped me be able to do several things at once productively and it's actually far more difficult for me to get into "the zone" unless multiple things are going on around me.  I don't miss much either!  Besides making me very good in games (especially video games), this is part of what had me approved to go to the Naval Academy in Annapolis to fly F-14's.  Fortunately, I grew too tall (6' 2" is the maximum, but someone really short, like Tom Cruise size, is the best).  I'm 6' 4".  Ironically, I ended up working for a defense contractor right across the street from the Miramar Naval Air Base where and when they were filming Top Gun.  That said, indiscriminately killing people from thousands of feet in the air would definitely be against my current life views!  Heck, I've got cups and cards stationed around the house to capture bugs and release them outdoors (mosquitos do NOT get this favor! ?).

[paulo]

15 minutes ago, craigb said:

I've got cups and cards stationed around the house to capture bugs so I can eat them and be happy...

2030'd that for you. ?

[Rain]

33 minutes ago, craigb said:

I'm a bit of the opposite.  Instead of using pharmaceuticals to make my ADHD tolerable to everyone around me (while causing me to be zoned out) I was introduced to computers when I was 7 by a very wise school principal.   This has helped me be able to do several things at once productively and it's actually far more difficult for me to get into "the zone" unless multiple things are going on around me.  I don't miss much either!  Besides making me very good in games (especially video games), this is part of what had me approved to go to the Naval Academy in Annapolis to fly F-14's.  Fortunately, I grew too tall (6' 2" is the maximum, but someone really short, like Tom Cruise size, is the best).  I'm 6' 4".  Ironically, I ended up working for a defense contractor right across the street from the Miramar Naval Air Base where and when they were filming Top Gun.  That said, indiscriminately killing people from thousands of feet in the air would definitely be against my current life views!  Heck, I've got cups and cards stationed around the house to capture bugs and release them outdoors (mosquitos do NOT get this favor! ?).

That sounds like a brilliant strategy on the part of the principal. Too bad there aren't more people like him.

And indeed, we are quite the opposite. I have attention surplus disorder. And my childhood reinforced that trait.

I grew up a solitary kid, spending most of my youth with my grandparents. There weren't many kids in that neighborhood, which is a good thing because I couldn't stand kids (expect girls - I had a very deep interest in the opposite *****, whether they were my age or whether it was their mother or even grandmother). Little boys were too noisy and hyper for my taste. And they weren't attractive, so, who cares... lol

The main attractions in our small neighborhood were a church, 2 funeral homes, a convent, and the cemetery, across the street, a mere 75 ft from our doorstep. And my grandparents' house totally belonged in that type of environment, what with my über Catholic grandmother, and her taste when it came to decoration - dark wood, tapestries, velour, red and gold, and all. We used to listen to the obituaries on the radio twice a day - that's where I got acquainted with Bach because the theme song was Air on a G string.

I liked drawing, painting, reading, writing, listening to music, and that kind of stuff. I remember spending hours sitting in the stairs staring at a painting of Piazza San Marco that hung above, and getting lost in there, and trying to reproduce it on a piece of paper with my pencils. If I was forced out of the house, I'd hang out in the cemetery. So I guess this type of environment reinforced a tendency to let myself be completely absorbed into one thing. I could spend hours on my bed staring at the ceiling and never get bored.

My other favorite places were the Church and the retirement home where we visited my great-grandmother every Wednesday. I was fascinated by the fact that she had everything she needed in that one room - a tv, a radio, a bed, a rocking chair, and books - and even her own bathroom! And people were bringing her meal. She never had to go out.

And it was quiet.

I thought this had to be the greatest place to be, after the cemetery. 

Surprising that I would become such a shut in, uh?

Edited December 9, 2023 by Rain

[Notes_Norton]

On 12/9/2023 at 9:35 AM, Rain said:

This!

Glad I'm not the only one