CbB for Linux

[Linux Daws Are The Best]

6 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

That much is quite obvious.

Right back at you, Genius, is that all you got, have you ever tried Linux, if so then please share your experience.

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20 hours ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

Considering Cakewalk nowadays doesn't have the same amount of mind share and market usage it used to have when it was a paid product in the past, maybe a Linux version would be a nice differential which could potentially gather a different type of cust....

Eh...That will never happen.

And from the resistance to Cakewalk on Linux on here, Linux is better off without these kind of nay sayers.

[Lord Tim]

Not to mention Linux is also better without naysayers that use ProTools, Cubase, Studio One, Logic...

Cakewalk by Bandlab and Cakewalk Sonar going forward is a Windows application. Rewriting this for Mac was impractical, so rewriting it for Linux which has far less market share doesn't make any kind of sense at all. This is commercial software, so they must take that into consideration. Why isn't there a Linux version of most of the other major DAWs? There's got to be a reason other than "BUT IT'S TOTALLY BETTER THAN WINDOWS AND MAC!!!" don't you think?

Cakewalk Next is cross-platform with Mac and would have a better chance of being ported to Linux, but what is the incentive for them doing so other than keeping a very small minority of people happy who are not using the platforms that almost every other commercial DAW does?

The reality is this: This is commercial software, and they have to pay their staff, and keep their users happy enough to keep coming back. The Cakewalk team isn't very big, and I don't think many people here think it would be a good use of their time to port to a platform that has a comparatively small userbase for commercial DAWs instead of keeping the feature updates and bug fixes going for their products that sell to a wider userbase.

Linux is great, I've used it since the mid-90s myself. (I still have PTSD trying to make an Intel740 video card work properly with a CRT monitor.) But there's really no compelling reason for most people to move to Linux when MacOS and Windows works fine for the overwhelming majority of users. There are some great DAWs that do work on Linux though, so if it feels that far superior to you than Mac or Windows, then they probably will fit your needs better than Cakewalk.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Lord Tim

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32 minutes ago, Lord Tim said:

Not to mention Linux is also better without naysayers that use ProTools, Cubase, Studio One, Logic...

Cakewalk by Bandlab and Cakewalk Sonar going forward is a Windows application. Rewriting this for Mac was impractical, so rewriting it for Linux which has far less market share doesn't make any kind of sense at all. This is commercial software, so they must take that into consideration. Why isn't there a Linux version of most of the other major DAWs? There's got to be a reason other than "BUT IT'S TOTALLY BETTER THAN WINDOWS AND MAC!!!" don't you think?

Cakewalk Next is cross-platform with Mac and would have a better chance of being ported to Linux, but what is the incentive for them doing so other than keeping a very small minority of people happy who are not using the platforms that almost every other commercial DAW does?

The reality is this: This is commercial software, and they have to pay their staff, and keep their users happy enough to keep coming back. The Cakewalk team isn't very big, and I don't think many people here think it would be a good use of their time to port to a platform that has a comparatively small userbase for commercial DAWs instead of keeping the feature updates and bug fixes going for their products that sell to a wider userbase.

Linux is great, I've used it since the mid-90s myself. (I still have PTSD trying to make an Intel740 video card work properly with a CRT monitor.) But there's really no compelling reason for most people to move to Linux when MacOS and Windows works fine for the overwhelming majority of users. There are some great DAWs that do work on Linux though, so if it feels that far superior to you than Mac or Windows, then they probably will fit your needs better than Cakewalk.

Overlooking what even young people are seeing, apple crapping out early and now cheaping out too, they are buying windows computers, and when they get their belly full of windows taking up half the resources available for spying and running the most inefficient OS of them all, is it really difficult to see how this will end, it is if you believe in the Titanic that is windows, or that apple of old is the same apple we have now.

Why not buy a card that works with linux, that is what people who want linux to run do. And time will tell regarding the decline of windows as a result of the crap they are at, same with apple, people don't expect their more expensive chips to perform worse than their very first M1, word is getting around.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Whinbush

[Lord Tim]

OK, let's do a hypothetical:

You run a small bakery with a small team of bakers. You make pies for your village. You make 3 kinds of pies, beef pies, pork pies and gourmet escargot pies.  This business pays your rent, your staff, and puts food on your table. Luckily business is good.

The pies you sell most of are the beef and pork pies. They're not your favourites because they're quite fatty and you don't care much for the flavour but the townsfolk love them for some weird reason.

You believe your escargot pies are superior in every way to the other pies. You have one guy who comes in every 2 weeks to buy one of these pies and you talk for hours about how everyone else just doesn't get it and they're totally missing out. 

One day you decide to take a stand to make people see what they're missing. You move all of your focus onto making these escargot pies. Your one guy who loves them as much as you is overjoyed. The rest of your customers are disappointed by this decision and go to the pie shop down the road to have their beef and pork pies since you're no longer putting in the effort to make the thing they liked from you. 

You know one day that people will eventually come around and realise how crap those beef and pork pies are. They'll see! One day! The young people will eventually get sick of that stuff and abandon ship and see how much better your escargot pies are! You just wait!

In the meantime, you can't pay rent, any of your staff, and have to reluctantly close your bakery because your now dramatically smaller customer base has gone elsewhere. Those other guys may be on a sinking ship in your opinion but they still have their lights on and their doors open.

It's a commercial product. The Bakers need to be paid. They can't do that with "one day..."

[Linux Daws Are The Best]

I believe when hunger sets in because the bakery is not reliable, people will move elsewhere, hope this post is still here in 5 years time.

[User 905133]

On 6/19/2023 at 11:20 AM, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

One thing I'd be careful is with opinions that bash Linux with a clear notion of distros from 1995. Or people that claim Linux to be worse because it's different. There are a lot of those out there.

I am not really a basher of Linux.  I can't comment on when others last tried Linux, But I last tried several distros August 2008, including Ubuntu Studio and gNewSense and I have to agree that Linux has come a log way since 1995 (or actually 2000, when I previously gave Linux a serious look).  

Speaking just for myself, my choice not to use Linux is not based on it being either worse or even different (as in the sense of being unfamiliar and requiring time to learn).  Moreover, it is based on my needs.

And I do understand expressing personal preferences and even making polite requests. 

Peace.

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1 minute ago, User 905133 said:

I am not really a basher of Linux.  I can't comment on when others last tried Linux, But I last tried several distros August 2008, including Ubuntu Studio and gNewSense and I have to agree that Linux has come a log way since 1995 (or actually 2000, when I previously gave Linux a serious look).  

Speaking just for myself, my choice not to use Linux is not based on it being either worse or even different (as in the sense of being unfamiliar and requiring time to learn).  Moreover, it is based on my needs.

And I do understand expressing personal preferences and even making polite requests. 

Peace.

Reflecting back, I was not pushed to Linux, I had cheaper laptops that would bearly work under windows, so I took the decision to try Linux, that was all it took for me, I never had any big issues with Linux, way less in fact than I had with windows. I could not wait on Reaper to come to Linux, people thought it would never happen, and yet it did. 

I just see the big two making mistakes that are driving people over to Linux, I partake in many groups, where music plays a big part, and I was shocked to find they use Linux. I see the door is firmly closed to it here, and I have a feeling there will be a missed opportunity to support a growing crowd instead of a shrinking one.

[User 905133]

44 minutes ago, Whinbush said:

Reflecting back, I was not pushed to Linux . . . . 

You jolted a memory!!!  During the last century I also tried Corel's version of Linux and in fact still have "Using Word Perfect 8 for Linux."  You might remember, at one point Word Perfect was the only serious competition for Microsoft Word. Corel invested a lot of energy trying to promote Linux.  Microsoft even invested in Corel and some speculated MS had an interest in seeing if Linux would fly. For those who don't know, Corel was later bought out from being a publicly traded company.  Shareholders who had the foresight to see it coming (and anyone who had insider information) could have sold their shares for more than the buyout gave them.

PS: It looks like I still have some backup copies of corellinux-oc_1.2.iso.  I might have earlier versions somewhere.

• Historical FYI links:
  • Link to wikipedia blub on Corel Linux OS.
  • Link to 2000 Forbes article.

 

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In August 2000, Cowpland was accused of insider trading and left. A new board of directors was then appointed and Derek Burney Jr., announced that the product line would be split into several brands—DeepWhite, ProCreate, and Corel. However, these plans were scrapped, and only the Corel brand remained. Corel acquired the graphics software company Micrografx in late 2001.

In August 2003, Corel was bought out by the private equity firm Vector Capital for $1.05 a share (slightly more than the cash in the company). The company was voluntarily delisted from the NASDAQ and Toronto Stock Exchanges. Some U.S. shareholders alleged the management benefited from the buyout personally while the buyout price was too low. A lawsuit was filed in the U.S. to stop the buyout and was unsuccessful.

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by User 905133
to add another link related to MS, Corel, and Linux; to add a link; to add a PS re corellinux; duplicate words removed

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I had no idea Corel were invovled in Linux, I have Corel Draw, nearly typed Corel Daw there. I would not be thinking of Cakewalk on Linux other than I like Cakewalk, and Linux, and I see that apple and ms for their different reasons becoming less advantageous. Linux would already be more popular if it came pre installed, like apple and ms do with their offerings, that way people would not have that barrier to overcome, download, create a bootable iso, partitioning and following the click click installer. But my teenage daughter had no issue with it and she is the most unlikely candidate, she is musical, not technically minded in the least, and she had no trouble, and said linux was much cleaner and easier to use than windows 11, she came from the apple arena, never had anything else until a year ago. In any event I shall retire from here, but will be back to tell you all I told you so.

[Sakini]

I think you shouldn't have a religion about operating systems. The most important are software and plugins. OS is secondary
I started computer music with Linux / Ubuntu studio because I got a laptop and I didn't want to pay for a license for windows.
Conclusion: I had to use specific amateur software with fewer features than those I had with Windows.
The concern does not come from Linux but from the ecosystem of software and plugins.
In the end, it made me waste my time and I switched to windows in order to have more choices regarding software.
 PS it's been 20 years since I heard that linux is better and that it will replace windows. ==>3% of market share
  Today for the desktop it still remains a geek thing

[Bruno de Souza Lino]

2 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

Not to mention Linux is also better without naysayers that use ProTools, Cubase, Studio One, Logic...

Oh but Linux has even worse naysayers. This whole "my DAW flavor of the week" argumentation is child's play close to the type of naysayers they have. And people reinventing the square wheel.

2 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

Cakewalk by Bandlab and Cakewalk Sonar going forward is a Windows application. Rewriting this for Mac was impractical, so rewriting it for Linux which has far less market share doesn't make any kind of sense at all. This is commercial software, so they must take that into consideration. Why isn't there a Linux version of most of the other major DAWs? There's got to be a reason other than "BUT IT'S TOTALLY BETTER THAN WINDOWS AND MAC!!!" don't you think?

I feel like some of the more vocal Linux people often pin themselves into a wall with the whole "Linux is better" thing. Linux is different than Windows and has more similarities with MacOS in certain aspects. As per the whole "commercial software cannot thrive in a free software environment" thing, which is perpetrated as a scare tactic by companies like Autodesk when talking about their competitors, the following commercial software have native Linux versions:

- Substance Designer
- Substance Painter
- DaVinci Resolve
-  Autodesk Maya
- Autodesk MudBox
- Autodesk MotionBuilder
- Arnold
- Unreal Engine
- Unity3D
- Houdini
- Modo
- RenderMan
- V-Ray
- Siemens NX

As per DAWs, you all know the ones which have native Linux versions.

As per the reason why there aren't commercial versions of other DAWs? The reason could range from monetary to lack of knowledge about licensing models (til this day there are people that still believe you cannot sell GPL licensed software and that couldn't be further from the truth) or they believe they'll die a tech support death. The latter can be easily solved by only supporting a specific set of distros (some of the software I mentioned up there are only officially supported on Ubuntu) and people that want it running on something else will have to make it happen and that often ends up being the case.

3 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

Cakewalk Next is cross-platform with Mac and would have a better chance of being ported to Linux, but what is the incentive for them doing so other than keeping a very small minority of people happy who are not using the platforms that almost every other commercial DAW does?

Without knowing how many people are interested in a Mac version, it's hard to tell. It could be that the amount of interest in a Linux version is actually larger than ones from a Mac version. At least we know people interested in a Mac version want a Sonar version and not this newfangled Bandlab inspired DAW which hasn't shown up yet.

2 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

You believe your escargot pies are superior in every way to the other pies. You have one guy who comes in every 2 weeks to buy one of these pies and you talk for hours about how everyone else just doesn't get it and they're totally missing out. 

One day you decide to take a stand to make people see what they're missing. You move all of your focus onto making these escargot pies. Your one guy who loves them as much as you is overjoyed. The rest of your customers are disappointed by this decision and go to the pie shop down the road to have their beef and pork pies since you're no longer putting in the effort to make the thing they liked from you. 

You know one day that people will eventually come around and realise how crap those beef and pork pies are. They'll see! One day! The young people will eventually get sick of that stuff and abandon ship and see how much better your escargot pies are! You just wait!

This is the kind of corporate tribalism modern companies push and it's no different with "the bakers." Just try mentioning their beloved piece of software has a bug or design flaw and you'll be showered with people telling you workarounds (which are a clear admission of the bug/fault without telling so) or saying this is a problem with you and not the software and you should've been more careful with saying those words here. Of course I'm exaggerating a bit  but this kind of behavior also encourages developers to not innovate or even fix bugs. Or they'll act the same way towards feature suggestions, as the creator of Ardour often demonstrates in their forums.

2 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

In the meantime, you can't pay rent, any of your staff, and have to reluctantly close your bakery because your now dramatically smaller customer base has gone elsewhere. Those other guys may be on a sinking ship in your opinion but they still have their lights on and their doors open.

This doesn't quite work in real life as a comparison because the way smaller companies thrive in the market is filling niches where it wouldn't pay for larger companies to compete on as the profit margins would be too small for them.

1 hour ago, Whinbush said:

I just see the big two making mistakes that are driving people over to Linux, I partake in many groups, where music plays a big part, and I was shocked to find they use Linux. I see the door is firmly closed to it here, and I have a feeling there will be a missed opportunity to support a growing crowd instead of a shrinking one.

In a sense, you could argue people that use Linux for music making tend to be more creative in their approach because of the many limitations they have in regards to plugin and hardware support and options. That may change depending on how well the industry takes on CLAP,  because you can do VST3 plugins for Linux (u-he has Linux versions for pretty much all the products they make) but you're still at Steinberg's mercy.

[User 905133]

56 minutes ago, Whinbush said:

. . . but will be back to tell you all I told you so.

ahem . . . . just saying: its not a competition. Honestly, I don't understand why you are so adamant--so much so that you need to give a heads up that you will be back to tell everyone who participated in this thread, "I told you so."  

Again, JMO, people are entitled to their personal preferences for themselves. However, saying you will stop being an aggressive advocate on the Cakewalk Discussion Board for the time being, but you promise to be back to proclaim at a later date to say, "See???  I was right!!!!!!!" sounds like you will be anxiously awaiting that moment should it ever come.

1 hour ago, Whinbush said:

I had no idea Corel were invovled in Linux . . . .

Hope you enjoyed reading the history.  As you probably have heard, those who fail to learn from history are apt to repeat mistakes that others have made [paraphrased].

[Bruno de Souza Lino]

4 hours ago, Whinbush said:

Overlooking what even young people are seeing, apple crapping out early and now cheaping out too, they are buying windows computers, and when they get their belly full of windows taking up half the resources available for spying and running the most inefficient OS of them all, is it really difficult to see how this will end, it is if you believe in the Titanic that is windows, or that apple of old is the same apple we have now.

Not to say Microsoft doesn't collect telemetry data, but claiming this is the reason Windows 10 has performance issues is just fear mongering and incorrect.

[Starship Krupa]

4 hours ago, Whinbush said:

Right back at you, Genius, is that all you got, have you ever tried Linux, if so then please share your experience.

"Is that all I got (sic)?" I was merely agreeing with your statement.

Be careful what you wish for.

I've been following Linux' fortunes since early 1992. I downloaded it from a BBS on floppies and gave it to one of my company's programmers because we had chattedf about him using UNIX at university and I thought he would be interested in this thing. I have a Linux box in my home right now, a retired 32-bit iMac.

I've lost track of how many Linux systems I've built. I find the OS fun to tinker with and useful for lightweight productivity things like web browsing, email and word processing. Libre Office runs great on it, so does Chrome, and for the vast bulk of people, that's most of what they do on a desktop computer.

I use my computer for those things, but I'm also an enthusiast of audio production and games, two areas Linux is terrible for.

For audio production work, where it absolutely falls on its a55 is when I try to set up audio on it for anything more complex than an onboard Realtek chip.

For games, nobody makes decent games for Linux.

The usual Linux apologist answer to this is something along the lines of "it's the fault of the hardware companies for not supporting it." "If they would only make games for Linux, people would buy them." Followed by a list of software that actually does support Linux. I've heard the pitch a hundred times, it never changes.

Like Sakini said, I haven't seen a Linux weenie like you in decades. If this is some kind of 90's roleplaying or an elaborate troll, I have to hand it to you, you sound just like they did back then. Participating in this topic reminds me of my younger days, when the Linux-smitten would loudly proclaim how Linux was going to take over the market "real soon now" and that Windows was doomed. I haven't seen one of you boys (and you're always boys) around in a long old time. Here in the Bay Area the younger ones tended to be into facial hair, polyamory and sword collecting and the older ones kinda looked like Hollywood serial killers.

The market has had a very long time to speak, and it has and continues to speak clearly: the demand for audio production software on Linux is tiny. Do not mistake LOUD for large. I imagine that the notable commercial DAW software companies that do support Linux, Cockos and Tracktion, did it mostly to shut the Linux whiners up.

"Linux is no longer an underdog in music creation circles and is much much better than the current Windows offerings, which are terrible."

The first part of that statement is not quite true, Linux, while indeed being a dog for music production, is not an underdog, because to be an underdog, the dog must be in the fight, which it isn't. You think Linux is The Answer. You are convinced that it's going to take over the world real soon now, and that you're smarter about the software market than the people who run Adobe, BandLab, Presonus, Acoustica, Steinberg, Avid, Magix, iZotope, MeldaProduction, Waves, UAD, IK Multimedia and Image Line who are going to be left behind as the Linux platform assumes its rightful supremacy. You're that market-savvy, yet somehow you got the idea that coming to a forum for a Windows-only commercial product and whining and picking fights would be a good way to drum up support for your favorite computing platform.

The current Windows offerings are "terrible?" Cakewalk is a "Windows offering" that you're begging to be ported to Linux. You went on about how great Cakewalk is, you do realize that what you're asking for is a DAW on Linux that works as well as Cakewalk does on Windows. You had to run Windows to know that Cakewalk was so great. And that's pretty much how it is in the world of audio production. The software runs on Windows and MacOS/OSX/whatever Apple's term for it is (funny that when Apple finally realized that MacOS 9 was crap and needed a full rewrite, they had the sense to base its successor on FreeBSD).

Why not just go download a copy of REAPER and use that? Support a company that supports your platform! Boycott the rest into submission. REAPER used to have kind of a Linux-y loudmouth would-you-please-just-STFU culture around it and if you're lucky, you might find some of those people in their user community to hang with.

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1 hour ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

Not to say Microsoft doesn't collect telemetry data, but claiming this is the reason Windows 10 has performance issues is just fear mongering and incorrect.

Oh really, do your homework, they took advantage of the programmer who wrote the Minix OS, to shrink it down even further so they could use it in their spy chip, also tell me why the fan never stopped spinning and the computer could barely do anything under ms crap, yet as soon as Lubuntu or MX Linux were installed the computer fan stopped constantly spinning and the resource usage is barely noticeable, so what was ms doing that required so many resources, I could give many more examples, but I doubt you would believe those either, stick up for ms if you want, they are fully dependent on people like you to cover up for them and keep their gravy train thundering on.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Whinbush

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1 hour ago, Starship Krupa said:

"Is that all I got (sic)?" I was merely agreeing with your statement.

Be careful what you wish for.

I've been following Linux' fortunes since early 1992. I downloaded it from a BBS on floppies and gave it to one of my company's programmers because we had chattedf about him using UNIX at university and I thought he would be interested in this thing. I have a Linux box in my home right now, a retired 32-bit iMac.

I've lost track of how many Linux systems I've built. I find the OS fun to tinker with and useful for lightweight productivity things like web browsing, email and word processing. Libre Office runs great on it, so does Chrome, and for the vast bulk of people, that's most of what they do on a desktop computer.

I use my computer for those things, but I'm also an enthusiast of audio production and games, two areas Linux is terrible for.

For audio production work, where it absolutely falls on its a55 is when I try to set up audio on it for anything more complex than an onboard Realtek chip.

For games, nobody makes decent games for Linux.

The usual Linux apologist answer to this is something along the lines of "it's the fault of the hardware companies for not supporting it." "If they would only make games for Linux, people would buy them." Followed by a list of software that actually does support Linux. I've heard the pitch a hundred times, it never changes.

Like Sakini said, I haven't seen a Linux weenie like you in decades. If this is some kind of 90's roleplaying or an elaborate troll, I have to hand it to you, you sound just like they did back then. Participating in this topic reminds me of my younger days, when the Linux-smitten would loudly proclaim how Linux was going to take over the market "real soon now" and that Windows was doomed. I haven't seen one of you boys (and you're always boys) around in a long old time. Here in the Bay Area the younger ones tended to be into facial hair, polyamory and sword collecting and the older ones kinda looked like Hollywood serial killers.

The market has had a very long time to speak, and it has and continues to speak clearly: the demand for audio production software on Linux is tiny. Do not mistake LOUD for large. I imagine that the notable commercial DAW software companies that do support Linux, Cockos and Tracktion, did it mostly to shut the Linux whiners up.

"Linux is no longer an underdog in music creation circles and is much much better than the current Windows offerings, which are terrible."

The first part of that statement is not quite true, Linux, while indeed being a dog for music production, is not an underdog, because to be an underdog, the dog must be in the fight, which it isn't. You think Linux is The Answer. You are convinced that it's going to take over the world real soon now, and that you're smarter about the software market than the people who run Adobe, BandLab, Presonus, Acoustica, Steinberg, Avid, Magix, iZotope, MeldaProduction, Waves, UAD, IK Multimedia and Image Line who are going to be left behind as the Linux platform assumes its rightful supremacy. You're that market-savvy, yet somehow you got the idea that coming to a forum for a Windows-only commercial product and whining and picking fights would be a good way to drum up support for your favorite computing platform.

The current Windows offerings are "terrible?" Cakewalk is a "Windows offering" that you're begging to be ported to Linux. You went on about how great Cakewalk is, you do realize that what you're asking for is a DAW on Linux that works as well as Cakewalk does on Windows. You had to run Windows to know that Cakewalk was so great. And that's pretty much how it is in the world of audio production. The software runs on Windows and MacOS/OSX/whatever Apple's term for it is (funny that when Apple finally realized that MacOS 9 was crap and needed a full rewrite, they had the sense to base its successor on FreeBSD).

Why not just go download a copy of REAPER and use that? Support a company that supports your platform! Boycott the rest into submission. REAPER used to have kind of a Linux-y loudmouth would-you-please-just-STFU culture around it and if you're lucky, you might find some of those people in their user community to hang with.

Iinux is on most of the computers on the planet, not windows, there is a reason. Do you know what version of windows NASA uses.

And yes, I like cakewalk, I stripped out windows to make the most of it, yet I still find Reaper more responsive, I put aside the glitches that occurred in Cakewalk after each microsoft updated because I wanted to give Cakewalk the benefit of the doubt, after all it worked until windows changed and broke it, so how could it be Cakewalk's doing. I liked it for sure, but under Linux everything I have tried just works for me, especially without needing the most up to date expensive processors just to keep ms moving along. When I refereed to windows offering being terrible, I was actually talking about windows 10 and 11.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Whinbush

[Sakini]

2 hours ago, Whinbush said:

Iinux is on most of the computers on the planet, not windows, there is a reason. Do you know what version of windows NASA use.

Ok linux is very good for some things(I am also a Linux user since many years) but linux just for linux has  no sense. If you want to make music you will also need compatible softwares, plugins, audio interface etc , computer technology is not the only thing to take into account., maybe it is a  vicious circle but if linux is not used by a lot of people daw/plugins company will not have to spend a lot of money for few people. Will you be ok to pay a linux cakewalk version 2 to 3 times more expensive to to make it profitable ?  

Idem for plugins , hardware ?

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by Sakini

[Bruno de Souza Lino]

35 minutes ago, Whinbush said:

Oh really, do your homework, they took advantage of the programmer who wrote the Minix OS, to shrink it down even further so they could use it in their spy chip

Who are they? Microsoft? Microsoft is a software company. If you're talking about modern CPUs running a MINIX 3 server on lower hardware rings...Do you know how complex modern CPUs are? You can almost count on the fingers of your hands the amount of people that truly understand hardware at component level and those people are too busy being well paid by companies to do actual work as opposed to silly little mind games like "spy chips."

39 minutes ago, Whinbush said:

also tell me why the fan never stopped spinning and the computer could barely do anything under ms crap, yet as soon as Lubuntu or MX Linux were installed the computer fan stopped constantly spinning and the resource usage is barely noticeable, so what was ms doing that required so many resources,

Disabling hybrid shutdown and hibernation usually solves 100% of those issues but at the cost of taking a bit longer to bring the computer back up from a cold boot or full hibernate.

40 minutes ago, Whinbush said:

I could give many more examples

As long as those are concrete examples, unlike your last bit of text...

41 minutes ago, Whinbush said:

stick up for ms if you want, they are fully dependent on people like you to cover up for them and keep their gravy train thundering on.

And I'm sure the whole Linux community must be proud of the disservice you're doing to them.

[Bruno de Souza Lino]

1 hour ago, Starship Krupa said:

The current Windows offerings are "terrible?" Cakewalk is a "Windows offering" that you're begging to be ported to Linux. You went on about how great Cakewalk is, you do realize that what you're asking for is a DAW on Linux that works as well as Cakewalk does on Windows. You had to run Windows to know that Cakewalk was so great. And that's pretty much how it is in the world of audio production. The software runs on Windows and MacOS/OSX/whatever Apple's term for it is (funny that when Apple finally realized that MacOS 9 was crap and needed a full rewrite, they had the sense to base its successor on FreeBSD).

The sad part about that particular statement is that if the current Windows offerings are terrible, then every single company which also makes Linux native software and plugins are also terrible because they all have Windows versions. Even Ardour has a Windows version.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Bruno de Souza Lino