Misha Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 "Cakewalk by Bandlab (the free DAW) will continue to work and be free with it getting its last and final update. " Until it deactivates one day and will not be "allowed" to activate by Bandlab. Local license please. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) My wish for NEXT is that its aimed more towards the HIP HOP and EDM Producers and Sound designers. The notes on the website does say its comes with built-in samples which i already like alot. I just hope its raw samples for us to mix and alter to our taste. I'm not a fan of samples that are "ready mixed." Sonar on the other hand - I have high hopes for it. I cant wait for the launch and I hope its not as cluttered as before. A Nice clean and Sexy interface is what keeps one glued to ONE DAW. Edited June 9, 2023 by Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Misha said: "old Sonar version do not need the internet or any on line activations." That is not true. Serial is not enough to activate it. For offline activation, you are still dependent on Bandlab's server that generates DAT file for offline activation for these last 2017 versions. ---- If you read my post you will see I said “ Other than Splat “ Sonar Platinum , Splat, was the first version to require servers. And once activated never needs the server again until you install it to a new machine or change your C drive. X3 and backwards as well as Most of the add ins came with there own installers and serial numbers. Worst case scenario for me would be returning to using X3. I’ll do that before I change DAWs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Guys I think there is some disconnect about what Sonar is. We aren't changing the core Sonar code from what Cbb is so its not changing the user interface. You can think of it as exactly the same as what you are using but with some new features. i.e. treat it similar to a major point upgrade over CbB. The UI will look nicer and be more modern as well. 9 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Nelson Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 All well and good, but will it be 15-20% better than Pro Tools? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 It already is :-P 13 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaleOm Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Will UI of Cakewalks plugins also be scalable? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstrEd Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, John Nelson said: All well and good, but will it be 15-20% better than Pro Tools? 2 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said: It already is :-P Let's not turn this into a Intel vs AMD thread like the tech forums ? Now the waiting game to check out your hard work. Meanwhile I have Mixcraft Pro Audio 10 to download and play with on my laptop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said: Guys I think there is some disconnect about what Sonar is. We aren't changing the core Sonar code from what Cbb is so its not changing the user interface. You can think of it as exactly the same as what you are using but with some new features. i.e. treat it similar to a major point upgrade over CbB. The UI will look nicer and be more modern as well. So it sounds like: 1. CbB will get updates with some new features but that will be the end of the road for it. 2. The CbB core will get a new UI and become Sonar. This is the main product going forward. 3. You're releasing a totally new product called Next directed towards song writers. This will also be ported to MacOS. 4. You're also porting Sonar to MacOS to compete with the big boys. <--- Not true per Noel. Edited June 9, 2023 by Terry Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Um no where did you read Sonar mac in what I wrote. Sonar will not be ported to Mac. Cakewalk's Mac solution going forward will be Next. Going forward its just Cakewalk Sonar and Cakewalk Next exclusively. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said: Um no where did you ready Sonar mac in what I wrote. Sonar will not be ported to Mac Sorry, I thought one of the earlier staff posts mentioned that. I will strike through that. Ah, Next. Ok, I corrected that too. Edited June 9, 2023 by Terry Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meltopia Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 I'm more worried about how long the activation will last once the other programs come out. If I never updated my computer would cakewalk keep working? My music PC rarely goes online and I'd be quite happy to keep it completely offline and continue with WIN10 and Cakewalk as it's only used for music. But will I be able to do that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, Terry Kelley said: 2. The CbB core will get a new UI and become Sonar. This is the main product going forward. No CbB, stays CbB. SONAR gets revived with new features and a new face. Thats it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Meltopia said: I'm more worried about how long the activation will last once the other programs come out. If I never updated my computer would cakewalk keep working? My music PC rarely goes online and I'd be quite happy to keep it completely offline and continue with WIN10 and Cakewalk as it's only used for music. But will I be able to do that? Read the previous posts earlier in the topic on this matter. Just scroll to the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) Yeah, I'm saying the same thing Will, if I have interpreted the developers comments correctly. But at some point CbB will end but existing installations will continue to work. Sonar will live on. I think this is a fair concession to the CbB people that helped make it better. If we like the Sonar UI we can switch to it. I'm excited to see it and if I like it, hopefully I can afford it! While we can argue costs, have the Cakewalk developers ever given us crap? A few bugs, yes, but the products themselves have always delivered. That will continue. Edited June 9, 2023 by Terry Kelley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, GaleOm said: Will UI of Cakewalks plugins also be scalable? All the DPI awareness work done was for the Sonar application. Cakewalk Next is already vector based. Cakewalk Sonar is a hybrid DPI aware application. Plugin's need to be independently made DPI aware for them to be scalable. By default, Sonar assumes that plugins are DPI aware and if there are scaling problems noted it can be disabled on a per plugin basis. There is a new "Enhanced Display Scaling" option in the plugin properties settings to control this. However only a few Cakewalk plugins are fully DPI aware - for example the prochannel modules. For the others you may have to disable the per plugin "Enhanced Display Scaling" for them to work. When Enhanced Display Scaling is off we rely on Windows to handle the scaling when running high dpi monitors. In the future we may update some cakewalk plugins to also be DPI aware like we're doing with Sonar but it's not on the roadmap ATM. IOW High DPI support is not available across the board for all plugins. It depends on the specific plugin. 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meltopia Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Will. said: Read the previous posts earlier in the topic on this matter. Just scroll to the beginning. I'm more worried about how long the activation will last once the other programs come out. If I never updated my computer would cakewalk keep working? My music PC rarely goes online and I'd be quite happy to keep it completely offline and continue with WIN10 and Cakewalk as it's only used for music. But will I be able to do that? 10 minutes ago, Will. said: Read the previous posts earlier in the topic on this matter. Just scroll to the beginning. I haven't seen an answer to this question. Edited June 9, 2023 by Meltopia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Will. said: Read the previous posts earlier in the topic on this matter. Just scroll to the beginning. So far there's no answer to that. We keep hearing about how current CbB will not be taken away and will remain free with one last update...And no words on if the 6 month period where you're forced to re-activate your license will remain. If yes, then there's nothing preventing Bandlab from pulling the plug on it at any point. Because all they'd have to do is take the license activation server for that version away without any modifications on the software itself. Edited June 9, 2023 by Bruno de Souza Lino 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) Agreed. Not all questions have been answered and the developers have been clear that they are not prepared to answer these questions yet. So continuing to pound them over it is futile. We will just have to continue to vibrate and squirm in our chairs until they do. Edited June 9, 2023 by Terry Kelley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Terry Kelley said: Agreed. Not all questions have been answered and the developers have been clear that they are not prepared to answer these questions yet. So continuing to pound them over it is futile. They haven't said anything about the 6 month re-activation period nor have they stated they're not prepared to talk about it. They've only said they can't say anything about pricing and subscriptions yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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