Byron Dickens Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) Do any of y'all know if anyone makes an amp sim of the Laney Supergroup? I have looked everywhere I can think of and come up empty handed. Revalver has a TI100 and someone else has a TF300 but neither are really what I want. Edited March 1, 2023 by Byron Dickens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 From what I have found out, Laney used Goodmans, Fanes and Celestions in their cabinets. One thing about the Supergroup (and the Klipp) is that they were similar to a Marshall Super Lead or JTM 45 but not as bright with more emphasis on the lower rather than upper mids and they are a bit fuzzier sounding. There is also some kind of undertone or note ghosting that is really subtle going on when you have them cranked. I'm getting headed in the right direction in Amplitube with a Plexi with subtle use of a Rat and octaver out front but it is not quite there yet. @Peter - IK Multimedia are you listening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmcleod Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Apart from Revalver, the only other ampsim company that I've seen doing Laney is Overloud TH-U - their British Classics rig has the Laney GH100L and Laney Ironheart... no Supergroup though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 Yeah, I've seen that video. That's an extremely informative and interesting scientific experiment but seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through as a practical matter. It is far easier to be able to just plug in, twist a couple knobs and go. If I had the space and disposable income, I would just get a Laney LA Studio and be done with it. https://www.laney.co.uk/amps/guitar/supergroup/la-studio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted March 6, 2023 Author Share Posted March 6, 2023 I had a chance to play around with this some more until I got interrupted and I found out IK's Hiwatt cab model has Fanes. I dropped it in and got closer. Interestingly, replacing the Plexi model with the JMP one seemed to be closer still. On 3/4/2023 at 5:36 PM, Lord Tim said: applying that theory to making your own chains in the box is a handy idea. Find a reasonably similar amp, a couple of overdrive/fuzz pedals, a few different EQs and a great IR, and throw them into a FX Chain preset, and never have to think about what's going on under the hood ever again - plug in and go You're right on the mark here as far as making it sound right but in the course of working on this and thinking about it I realized that what I really want to do here is not so much copy the exact sound of any particular record or get a certain guitarist's "tone." (I'm long since past that) as to see what I can get for myself out of the same amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted March 6, 2023 Author Share Posted March 6, 2023 I think it is so strange some of the rarest boutique amps that few people have even heard of and other assorted oddball stuff that gets modeled. Hell, Overloud has a whole collection of models of converted film projector amps! But one of the most iconic amps in the world, used for years by one of the most influential guitarists of all time on some of the most influential recordings of all time is ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 2:57 AM, Lord Tim said: That JTM with a Rat going into a good IR definitely sounds like a big step in the right direction though. You may want to pre-shape the EQ going into the amp to futz it out a bit in the low end, as well as giving it a little high bump for cut. Dunno if you guys saw the video that Jim Lill put out where he put a bunch of amps against each other, where they were EQ/level matched and then ran into the same speaker, and in the end the difference was so small, he ended up getting the same results out of a chain of pedals into a power amp. Absolutely mind-blowing stuff, and really makes you think about EQ and tone stacks differently! https://youtu.be/wcBEOcPtlYk That was interesting. That said, I think immediacy (whether an amp or an amp sim) of getting a sound you like is as important as anything - I just bought a new THU add-on pack and immediately got a sound I loved out of one of the presets it shipped with that made me get round to actually recording some guide tracks I've been promising someone for ages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted March 30, 2023 Author Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) So far in my attempts to get an early "Black Sabbat- ish" sound, I've actually gotten my best results so far from sticking a Rat clone in front of my little Marshall Lead 12 combo that I closed off the back of. Edited March 30, 2023 by Byron Dickens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 Yessir. Hardware. That little Marshall 5005 has sometimes been described as a mini Plexi. Those old mosfet amps were killer! Don't let anyone tell you different. I'm really glad I kept it. Closing off the back of it seems to have made a real difference. Really tightened up what low end there is out of that little 10" speaker. I don't have the wherewithal to get a model of the tone but then I don't need to: I have the gear. ? On the software front, I found that switching back to the Plexi model, ditching the octaver and mixing the Fanes and Greenbacks in the Hiwatt cabinet got me closer still. As far as sharing it: while I'm not exactly morally opposed to preset-osis, I would rather share the formula so others can cook up a tone on their own. In the course of crafting it, one might come up with something even better or more inspiring. The formula is really simple: a plexi-ish amp with a dirty, kind of fuzzy boost in front of it. Turn up the treble, mids and cut the bass. Run it through Fanes or some vintagey CCelestions Did I duplicate the "Tony Iommi sound?" No, but duplicating anyone's "sound" is a moving target anyways. Did I get the same kind of tone, one that sounds like it could have been on a early Black Sabbath record? I think so. Incidentally, Laney just came out with their Ironheart pedal amp. It is supposed to be the first one of a series. If they come out with a Supergroup one, I'm going to be all over that sucker like white on rice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 6 hours ago, Byron Dickens said: Did I duplicate the "Tony Iommi sound?" No, but duplicating anyone's "sound" is a moving target anyways. Did I get the same kind of tone, one that sounds like it could have been on a early Black Sabbath record? I think so. I know that now...wish I'd known it 20+ years ago ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Many years ago, I had the pleasure of doing a recording session (in my spare room!) with Hawkwind's original guitarist, Huw Lloyd-Langton, doing a cover of one of his tracks. He brought his guitar and I just plugged him into a first generation POD Pro, picked an amp and speakers almost at random, and he sounded near identical to how he did on the original recording... I've now managed to get a sound very, very similar using a TH-U amp model/effects chain that is nothing like the gear he would have used in the mid-80s. So I now completely ignore what gear was used! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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