kmather741 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 I've happily used Cakewalk for many years. I have recently purchased Scaler 2 and Melody Sauce 2, and have started using them in Cakewalk projects. They normally operate as plugins with MIDI outputs. One annoying issue/mystery seems to have appeared now. Every new MIDI track/instrument I create starts out by showing MIDI input as "Omni". If I click the combo box to get a menu, the menu shows "None" is checked. (See image below.) "None" is the behavior I really want. But the tracks/instruments actually behave like "Omni" - they respond to all the MIDI outputs being generated by the plugins. The following clumsy workaround seems to be successful: change the input to "Virtual Controller > MIDI Omni". Since I don't have any virtual controller, I stop getting all the extra MIDI noise. (Or I can select some other physical MIDI port with nothing connected.) Is this considered normal behavior? Does it need to be this way? (Input "None" on an audio track seems to really mean it.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Yeah, that thread and the other threads referenced in it are accurate, at least at time they were written. The current behavior is slightly different. Starting with 2021.01, if a project has a plug-in with "Enable MIDI Output" turn on anywhere in the project and an instrument/MIDI track input is set to None and input echo in enabled for the track instead of changing the input to "All Inputs - Omni" the DAW will use "All External Inputs - Omni". The change was made to address the problem of tracks unexpectedly picking up MIDI data from plug-ins in the project. FWIW, audio tracks will change from None if input echo is enabled for them too. IOW, input set to None and input echo on are mutually exclusive settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmather741 Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 Thanks. I'm using the latest 2022.06 build 034. I guess it raises a slightly different question. Since I am hearing unwanted MIDI data from the plugins, maybe they are appearing as "External Inputs"? Maybe an issue with how the plugins are built? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Turn off Always Echo Current MIDI Track in preferences. This is causing the old-style Omni setting and behavior. Manually set input echo as needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmather741 Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 Thanks. That seems to be what I was looking for. I would probably never have found it on my own. It also explains why I could never get all input echoes toggled off. I think MIDI will work better for me this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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