Richard Hunter Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Anyone have ideas on why 32 bit plugins would cause Cakewalk to crash? Also, I keep getting a message from BFD3 to the effect that having 32 and 64 bit versions of the plugin on the system might destabilize the system. Is that true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 You should avoid 32 but plug ins. It’s a 64 bit world now. Only use with caution and if you do get crashes then move on to a different plug in. There’s millions of them. The only 32 bit VST I can still use is Mr Tramp. The rest in my collection I have deleted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartabartfast Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Excellent advice, John. Of course if you are going to try to open and work on old projects that used 32 bit plugs, it might not be the last word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I have lots of those and for that reason I keep a copy of 8.5 on my system, but it's been a long time since I had an issue. Because those plug ins are not in the scan path Cakewalk just opens and they are all marked. I just replace them which is something I would have done anyhow. If it's a weird instrument then I find a new weird instrument. Only one I miss was called Warp delay. It was an important part of this song I never finished. It shows on KVR https://www.kvraudio.com/product/2warpdelay_by_mutagene But the company seems to have disappeared and all links are dead ends. If anybody has this I would love to hear from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 18 hours ago, Richard Hunter said: Anyone have ideas on why 32 bit plugins would cause Cakewalk to crash? There are a few ideas that come to mind. First is that 32-bit plug-ins were never designed to be hosted by a 64-bit DAW. They require an extra layer of processing called a bridge in order to work in Cakewalk. Unlike the VST spec itself, there were and are no guidelines whatsoever for implementing bridging. The keepers of the VST spec would tell us just don't do that. Second is that any 32-bit plug-ins that you can't find 64-bit updates for are likely to be like me, aging and no longer supported by the people who created them. While the Cakewalk engineers will usually work with currently supported plug-ins and their developers to at least figure out whose product needs to be patched so that they can work together, that's impossible to do with abandoned software. While I believe BandLab does own the code for the bridging software, I suspect that it's been a long time since anyone looked at the code, and the chances that the current Cakewalk development team is going to open it up and try to make it work better are nil. They are focused on other areas, and there's just not much demand among the user base to make it work better with old versions of 3rd-party software. So, maybe it's not a great idea to remain dependent on 32-bit plug-ins. Even the best tools can wear out and break, forcing craftspeople to acquire new ones. Also, if you do have both the 32-bit versions of BFD on your system, and the software is throwing messages telling you that doing that may destabilize your system, and your system is behaving erratically in some related way, I'd say that getting rid of the 32 bit version of BFD is worth a try. And count your blessings there's a 64-bit version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterX Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 14 hours ago, John Vere said: (...) Only one I miss was called Warp delay. It was an important part of this song I never finished. It shows on KVR https://www.kvraudio.com/product/2warpdelay_by_mutagene But the company seems to have disappeared and all links are dead ends. If anybody has this I would love to hear from you. Direct link: https://web.archive.org/web/20160318133334/http://dsp.mutagene.net/programs/2WarpDelay_v1p2.zip Website copy : https://web.archive.org/web/20170503163413/http://dsp.mutagene.net/?pid=projects 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clovis Ramsay Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 On 3/23/2021 at 10:39 AM, Richard Hunter said: Anyone have ideas on why 32 bit plugins would cause Cakewalk to crash? Also, I keep getting a message from BFD3 to the effect that having 32 and 64 bit versions of the plugin on the system might destabilize the system. Is that true? BandLab has gone strictly 64-bit which means you would have to use a 2018 version of Cakewalk to have a relatively stable experience as this version would be closer to the last build of SONAR that had both 32 & 64 bit installs and bridging. A crash is still likely though (saying more as a disclaimer because I am smart but my deeper tech cred is kinda, meh). I kept my 32 bit machine that i use exclusively for archiving, troubleshooting, anything that might function better in a legacy operation. Im sure they will come out with a 128 bit platform (again, credentials meh) so get use to having to cut chords to old outdated things. Maybe one day software will just BE and stay BE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 JBridge, and then don't worry about 32-bit. worth every $. https://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 @Glenn Stanton I often thought about J bridge but it looks to me that it has not been updated for a long time now. The info says it all. For Windows XP and up. I’m reluctant to install anything that doesn’t look like it’s W10 compatible it would be interesting to know if bitbridge is just as old. It seems the only place you even run into 32 bit VST’s is when cruising for freebies. I always set the filters to exclude 32 to avoid temptation. I send all 32 plug ins to the program 86 side of the fence and exclude those folders from the scan path If I need one I copy it over to the 64 bit VST folder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murat k. Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Glenn Stanton said: JBridge, and then don't worry about 32-bit. worth every $. https://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/ I'm big fan of the JBridge. 1 hour ago, John Vere said: @Glenn Stanton I often thought about J bridge but it looks to me that it has not been updated for a long time now. The info says it all. For Windows XP and up. I’m reluctant to install anything that doesn’t look like it’s W10 compatible it would be interesting to know if bitbridge is just as old. It seems the only place you even run into 32 bit VST’s is when cruising for freebies. I always set the filters to exclude 32 to avoid temptation. I send all 32 plug ins to the program 86 side of the fence and exclude those folders from the scan path If I need one I copy it over to the 64 bit VST folder. It works perfect with W10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 yeah, i have a bunch of old synth plugins which are 32-bit and i like to keep around. as more 64-bit synths come out that are better sounding i'll make the switch. so far JBridge is handling things perfectly for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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