Richard Schweitzer Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I'm wondering if anyone has a suggestion, other than recording... I have a rhythm guitar part that was recorded mono, then I've duplicated the track for different processing and they are panned to opposite ends of the audio spectrum. It may be a mix of several takes, I don't remember. But there is an 8 bar section in the middle during which the two parts are audibly mono instead of stereo. If I solo each track their panning sounds correct, extreme left and extreme right, but when played together they come to the middle. The rest of the guitar part is normal, so it's really obvious when this happens. I've tried a number of things, including phasing and such, but I can't figure out why. This isn't going to hold up my mix, but if anyone has an idea I can go back in and fix it later. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 A mono track duplicated and panned hard left and right is still mono. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Schweitzer Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 Well, I can't figure out then why the rest of the parts sound off left and right except for one 8 bar section. All recorded the same, one mic, one input. The rest of the guitar part, on the same tracks, I hear in the panned spectrum, left and right. In that one section, the tracks are still panned left and right but the audio moves to the center, for 8 bars, then back to the stereo pan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor7music Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Check if you have a phase cancellation problem. Change the phase of one of the tracks and listen if there's any change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Stereo requires your source to be recorded from two different locations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) To prove there is no weirdness with phase or automation take one track and pull it out of sync by a 1/32 note. You should hear the delay between the tracks and even through the 8 bars Edited January 1, 2021 by John Vere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapasoa Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 The best thing to do for me is to record in mono a new rhytm track very similar to the previous one. And then located one at middle left and the other at middle right. Beautiful. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark skinner Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 If the L/R sections are the same (in the 8 bar problem area) , they will combine in the Center. Try some different processing on them like in the other sections that are retaining the panning. ms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 What @lapasoa said is what I’ve done for years. I finish playing the part until I can nail it in one take and the immediately record a second take. This is not a lead part just the chords So shouldn’t be hard to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Schweitzer Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) That's essentially what I did, what @lapasoa said, though my panning is more extreme, there is very different EQ and processing between them, compression is different, one has a little reverb but the other is dry. I'll try to be clearer. If I solo each guitar part they both, alone, play exactly correctly, they are both mono signals... the one panned hard left plays correctly out of the left monitor, the one panned hard right plays correctly out of the right monitor, and they play that way all the way through. But, when I solo them both at the same time, they still play exactly correctly... one panned hard left, one panned hard right, Until they hit that section, then, though the panning hasn't changed, and I can't detect anything different about the signal itself, the audio audibly moves to the center. Then, after that section, they both move back, audibly, to their assigned panning. I've tried phasing, and I've tried shifting one (nudging) slightly... and I'd like to say I tried other things but I don't know what else to try. Btw, thanks for responding, I'm doing this on my own here, sometimes it can a long time to work through something I don't understand. Edited January 1, 2021 by Richard Schweitzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 What do the meters say? Is this just something psychological going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Schweitzer Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 The meters show the mono signals for each track steady on their side of the pan spectrum, while it sounds correct, AND while the audio seems to move to the center... the one panned hard left, the meter only has movement on the left side, and vice versa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelvetone Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 10:13 PM, Richard Schweitzer said: It may be a mix of several takes, I don't remember. But there is an 8 bar section in the middle during which the two parts are audibly mono instead of stereo The in parts that sound like stereo you have put different takes on the left and right. The 8 bar mono section is the SAME take panned left and right, which results in a mono signal, just 3dB louder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Schweitzer Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 Yes, a different/separate "clip", but a split from the same original performance and recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelvetone Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 You misunderstand. The middle 8 has the exact same clip on both sides. Identical audio. coming from the left and right speakers. Like a pan pot set in the middle. Mono. Zoom in and you will see they are identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Schweitzer Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 Crying uncle here, can't seem to make myself understood. Unless something reveals itself, I guess I'll just live with it. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 We all understand perfectly. You're the one who is not understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelvetone Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) Deleted - Method below should help something reveal itself Edited January 3, 2021 by twelvetone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelvetone Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) Solo still lets some of the other tracks through at a reduced level (depending on settings), so try this using Mute instead: Mute everything. Go to just before your middle 8 section. Unmute your effected channel only. A. Does the reverb, EQ etc. stay the same going into the middle 8? Now mute the effected channel and unmute the the dry channel only. B. Does it stay dry into the middle 8? Now unmute both and disable all EQ, effects, etc (use the button on the top of the bins). keep the panning. C. Does it sound stereo before the middle 8? And does it collapse to mono in the middle 8? Edited January 3, 2021 by twelvetone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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