paulo Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, simon said: ahh sorry - you said 'upgrade' in your post I meant upgrade in the sense that one might reasonably expect the new version to be an upgrade on the previous one rather than a considerable downgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, ZincT said: I have to admit that I rarely used the individual instruments and found Analog Lab a better option while still offering all the presets from every instrument. So I held onto Analog Lab and Pigments and sold VC 6 on KVR in the summer. I haven't missed it once. I'm with ZT on this one. I have AL4 + Pigments. Never owned VC because I really couldn't see the need to have all of those individual instruments, when I could have most of their sounds in one package. Don't care for the emulations. Too easy to go down a rabbit hole by twiddling knobs all day, and accomplishing nothing. ? Edited December 8, 2020 by abacab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, paulo said: I meant upgrade in the sense that one might reasonably expect the new version to be an upgrade on the previous one rather than a considerable downgrade. well we don't know that yet - if you judge the quality of a plugin solely by the number of presets, and assuming that those numbers are accurate, then yes...it's not an upgrade. ....it might even ben a 'considerable downgrade' . I suspect that isn't the full story. Have you taken a look at the videos and previews ? If I could ever get this stuff licenced then I could find out Incidentally I find AL to be the least useful of the collection .....just my opinion but I never really bother with it much. Prefer the actual emulations. EDIT abacab replied as I was typing and said the exact opposite about AL....just shows you there are as many opinons as there are people Edited December 8, 2020 by simon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 45 minutes ago, Fleer said: The original Analog Lab had almost 6000 presets as well. I wonder if the present counts keep going down b/c they are pushing an alternate source of revenue from preset packs. https://www.arturia.com/products/analog-classics/analoglab-v/sounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, simon said: if you judge the quality of a plugin solely by the number of presets, and assuming that those numbers are accurate, then yes...it's not an upgrade. It's basically a collection of presets, so there's not really much else to judge it by. Yes there's the old quality v quantity debate, but I somehow doubt that the 4000+ that have now been removed were all crap. Disappointing, but hey ho, I'll get over it. Just 2020 still being 2020.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) I can understand both arguments and it depends on what suits your needs. The full collection suits Simon and many others. For me though AL (v4 anyway) made more sense as I can easily search all of the instruments presets to find what I'm looking for. I don't very often need the UI of the instrument to tweak a sound as AL4 gives access to commonly modified ones. I got hold of VC6 when I spotted someone selling it cheaply on KVR and thought at that price it would be worth a punt as I could always resell it for what I paid (which is what I did). Realistically I found that I hardly ever used the individual instruments. It just became an annoyance every time there was an update which required 21 updates to be downloaded and installed. Now with the advent of ALV it seems that you no longer have access to all the presets from VC8 unless you own VC8 but for me the difference is not worth the cost of ownership. Obviously YMMV but that's how it is for me. Like abacab, I also bought Pigments (on an intro deal) and for many reasons it's a keeper for me. Edited December 8, 2020 by ZincT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vst0nE Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, paulo said: It's basically a collection of presets, so there's not really much else to judge it by. Yes there's the old quality v quantity debate, but I somehow doubt that the 4000+ that have now been removed were all crap. Disappointing, but hey ho, I'll get over it. Just 2020 still being 2020.? that would be real ripp off for analog lab 4 users and also big problems with projects not loading presets....how they can remove 4000 presets and call it upgrade?? we should all email arturia this is nonsense if true. i still have analog lab 4 on account, it will be upgraded automaticaly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSteven Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, paulo said: It's basically a collection of presets, so there's not really much else to judge it by. Yes there's the old quality v quantity debate, but I somehow doubt that the 4000+ that have now been removed were all crap. Disappointing, but hey ho, I'll get over it. Just 2020 still being 2020.? It could also be the case that they've just not had time to modify all the presets to their new library structure and more will surface later or maybe they used up their budget for the conversions and won't pony up more until they see some sales or they knew that by shortchanging the presets we'd unintentionally open a vortex on the Internet by chasing our tails about it and then Arturia could use the spin to generate sales and open a wormhole directly to France saving them airline fees that they could then reinvest in management bonuses. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzroy Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 In the Arturia Software Center I see that Analog Lab 4 now contains "2 products", and I have an option to install Analog Lab V. Would installing this replace AL 4, or run in parallel with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I had AL4 installed and today added AL5. They cohabitate nicely. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vst0nE Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Arturia response to analog lab 4 VS analog lab 5 presets issue Thank you for choosing Arturia and for reaching us. You can upgrade Analog Lab 4 to Analog Lab V from ASC Here are the differences between Analog Lab 4 and Analog Lab V: First, Analog Lab V has been completely reworked with a brand new interface, a new preset browser, a new FX section and many improvements as well in order to benefit from a smoother and more comfortable experience along with our controllers. - Analog Lab V now contains by default around 2000 presets when Analog Lab 4 was containing around 6500 presets. Due to these major changes and in order to rework many previous presets contained within Analog Lab 4 we decided to: - Add new presets reaching our current quality standards - Remove previous presets which were not reaching our current standards anymore - And rework some of them as well In order to achieve this and to prevent any problems we also decided to: - Ensure that Analog Lab V could be installed distinctely aside of Analog Lab 4 and that both could operate separately as well. - Define a distinct VST ID for Analog Lab V in order for it not to replace Analog Lab 4 currently instanciated on your project tracks in order for you to still keep on working on your current project without worrying about it So, this means that it will require you to manually replace your current Analog Lab 4 plug-ins on your tracks if you'd like to migrate immediately to the latest version. Side note: As an Analog Lab V owner, you're indeed also entitled for an Analog Lab 4 license for you to use the one you'd like even if we do now clearly recommend to migrate when possible to the very latest version to benefit from its current improvements and to benefit from future fixes as well. If you'd like to also gain access to all the Analog Lab 4 presets through Analog Lab V just make sure in case you do only have Analog Lab V installed to simply install Analog Lab 4 as well. => From there, you'll find all the previous presets contained in a dedicated Sound Bank but keep in mind that due to an important rework of the FXs section as well that User presets using FXs may not sound the same way through Analog Lab V. Gaby from support 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Okay. so the Analog Lab 5 issue is a non-issue. You are able to install them side by side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husker Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Wasn't the historical upgrade price for someone who owned the previous version $99? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, telecode 101 said: Okay. so the Analog Lab 5 issue is a non-issue. You are able to install them side by side. Well, normally Analog Lab holds most if not all of the V Collection’s presets at “current quality standards”. This won’t be the case anymore unless all of a sudden the entire V Collection lost 4000 presets (instead of gaining more). So, if you’re not up to date with your V Collection you won’t enjoy the Analog Lab presets bonanza. Being able to run Analog Lab 4 is not the same as having most if not all V Collection 8 presets at “current quality standards”. At those standards we’ll only get some 2000 until we pay up for V Collection 8. Still quite an issue IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Nicholls Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 54 minutes ago, husker said: Wasn't the historical upgrade price for someone who owned the previous version $99? Come next Black Friday sale, it probably will be $99 to upgrade to VC 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vst0nE Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Fleer said: Well, normally Analog Lab holds most if not all of the V Collection’s presets at “current quality standards”. This won’t be the case anymore unless all of a sudden the entire V Collection lost 4000 presets (instead of gaining more). So, if you’re not up to date with your V Collection you won’t enjoy the Analog Lab presets bonanza. Being able to run Analog Lab 4 is not the same as having most if not all V Collection 8 presets at “current quality standards”. At those standards we’ll only get some 2000 until we pay up for V Collection 8. Still quite an issue IMO. yes thats right....analog lab 4 had most of presets of V collection 7, you could not just much edit it analog lab 5 has 4000 less presets and V collection 8 did not loose any (unless i am mistaken) so in that case this arturia marketing nonsense is towards customers forcing them to upgrade as they will not have presets unless you keep installed analog lab 4 with another installation of analog lab 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Indeed, and 4000 Analog Lab 4 presets don’t live up to the “current quality standards” of V Collection 8, so they say. The simple fact that some or all of those missing presets are part of the collection renders their explanation meaningless. It’s a marketing scheme, and pretending otherwise isn’t cricket at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Fleer said: Well, normally Analog Lab holds most if not all of the V Collection’s presets at “current quality standards”. This won’t be the case anymore unless all of a sudden the entire V Collection lost 4000 presets (instead of gaining more). So, if you’re not up to date with your V Collection you won’t enjoy the Analog Lab presets bonanza. Being able to run Analog Lab 4 is not the same as having most if not all V Collection 8 presets at “current quality standards”. At those standards we’ll only get some 2000 until we pay up for V Collection 8. Still quite an issue IMO. i just checked their README. so you are stating the the new present library updates to existing V6 products entails removing a bunch of presents because they may not be compatible with the new Analog Lab? That is not good at all. I might hold off updating until this is sorted out. Luckily their servers are slow so I wasn't able to get anywhere with downloads or updates. New Browser New Preset Library New side panel with: New Global & Preset Settings menu New Brightness, Timbre, Time and Movement Macro controls New MIDI Controller and Config menu New built in Tutorials Bug fixes: Welcome tutorials no longer opens after checking “don’t show again” “Clear all” function now works properly with Keylab Essentials and KeyLab MKII Banks can no longer be cropped when resizing the interface 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vst0nE Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) you guys just have to bombard arturia how unhappy you are now with analog lab 5 missing 4000 presets from V collection 8. thats the only way how we can change it..... if those "less quality" presets for analog lab 5 are good enough for V collection 8 then it is just gimmick anyway and users should be emailing arturia support...talking here will not change much in my point of view.....email sent to arturia on my side Edited December 9, 2020 by dee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin H Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I just realized that the reason I haven’t won any Grammys is because I’ve been using analog lab 4 presets with terrible quality all this time. No wonder. I deleted all my songs that use analog lab 4. Awards season here I come .... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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