DocBob Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Any experience to guide which VST, 2 or 3, is more stable in Cakewalk? I’m referring specifically to SampleTank 4, but it is a more general question too. What are the advantages of one over the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 In theory, VST3. ST3 had issues with the VST3. I installed just the VST2 for ST4. Maybe someone can/will enlighten us. tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Mackay Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Install both. Try the VST3. If it gives problems, disable it and use the VST2. For this use the excellent Plug-ins Manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I've had no problems whatsoever with the VST3, whereas neither the VST2 nor the VST3 of Sampletank 3 would crash Cakewalk after running a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Personally I have found the VST2 version to be more stable than the VST3 version - especially when using multiple tracks. I find I have to use several instances as ST4 itself is not multi-threaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 48 minutes ago, Promidi said: I find I have to use several instances as ST4 itself is not multi-threaded. This ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBob Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) My brief experiment with identical setups... 3 instances of ST4 each with 8 parts loaded. VST 2 wins easily. VST3 has clicks, stutters and delays unless I set the buffers so high that latency becomes intolerable. Edited November 21, 2020 by DocBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBob Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 13 hours ago, Promidi said: Personally I have found the VST2 version to be more stable than the VST3 version - especially when using multiple tracks. I find I have to use several instances as ST4 itself is not multi-threaded. What do you mean by “not multi-threaded?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Mackay Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 minute ago, DocBob said: What do you mean by “not multi-threaded?” I assume multi-timbral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nigel Mackay said: I assume multi-timbral. No. I mean internally able to take advantage of multiple cores or your CPU. I.E. I believe a a single instance runs on one core only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, DocBob said: What do you mean by “not multi-threaded?” In practice, if you have 10 instruments in your project then few instances of ST4 with 2-3 instruments per each should handle it better than a single ST4 instance with all 10 instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, chris.r said: In practice, if you have 10 instruments in your project then few instances of ST4 with 2-3 instruments per each should handle it better than a single ST4 instance with all 10 instruments. With my current system, Intel i5-9600K at 4.6Ghz, I start getting breakups (pops & crackles) with 8 instruments loaded in a single instance of ST4 using ASIO at 256 buffers (24/48000). If I run a CPU monitor I can see one core (of 6) doing all of the heavy lifting. When that core gets over 50% on that single thread is when I start hearing noise. With my old dual core at 3.4Ghz I only got about 3-4 instruments per instance. YMMV. VST2 or VST3 doesn't seem to make any difference in this regard, as well as setting plug-in load balancing on/off in Cakewalk preferences. I recall Noel mentioning somewhere that load balancing only applies to effects rather than instruments. This seems to be more of an issue with the new ST4 library. So if instruments are single threaded, then separate instances would be necessary to share the load. I did notice that if you are using the older ST3 based libraries in ST4, they are less CPU hungry. The ST3 engine is included within ST4 for compatibility with the older instruments. Edited November 20, 2020 by abacab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBob Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 13 hours ago, abacab said: With my current system, Intel i5-9600K at 4.6Ghz, I start getting breakups (pops & crackles) with 8 instruments loaded in a single instance of ST4 using ASIO at 256 buffers (24/48000). If I run a CPU monitor I can see one core (of 6) doing all of the heavy lifting. When that core gets over 50% on that single thread is when I start hearing noise. With my old dual core at 3.4Ghz I only got about 3-4 instruments per instance. YMMV. VST2 or VST3 doesn't seem to make any difference in this regard, as well as setting plug-in load balancing on/off in Cakewalk preferences. I recall Noel mentioning somewhere that load balancing only applies to effects rather than instruments. This seems to be more of an issue with the new ST4 library. So if instruments are single threaded, then separate instances would be necessary to share the load. I did notice that if you are using the older ST3 based libraries in ST4, they are less CPU hungry. The ST3 engine is included within ST4 for compatibility with the older instruments. Very useful information, thanks. Explains a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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