Patrick Colton Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Hi everybody, I would really like some feedback regarding this mix. I've been working on it for awhile. I put the song up on Facebook and I'm not really getting many likes so I'm really worried about the whole thing. It's my version of Elvin Bishop's Fooled Around and Fell in Love. Thanks for your help! Tom. Edited March 12, 2020 by Patrick Colton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Screed Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 far as I can tell, the guitar work is good the vocals are a little forced, I think maybe you could rerecord and lay it back a bit, it seems like you are trying to sing over it all, the drums seem to be in a different tempo in places it sounds live like nobody was listening to anyone else but you do have a great foundation and sure do love all the elements you'll work it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Colton Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 Thanks for the advice Jesse. Everything was recorded by me one track at a time. Maybe I should check the line-up again and try to make it flow better. This particular song has a petty intense lead vocal. I was trying to capture that but maybe should lay back. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bajan Blue Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Hi Patrick Agree by and large with Jesse - are the drums midi? If yes, I think it might be some other timing issue. Love the guitar work, sounds really good. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Are you sure this is the right key for the vocal, Jesse mentioned it sounds a little "forced"; I don't think D is the right key for you. I am right, its in D? I listened, pulled the cans, picked up the guitar, didn't play along. whatever, I'd try at least a half step... t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcumpian Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Sounds like you're trying to do a "bluesier" remake. Is so, here are my thoughts: Guitar sounds thin. I would certainly beef it up and double track it, one track to each side. Organ isn't dirty enough Bass needs more definition. it's way too mush sounding and doesn't carry the beat well enough. Bring the kick up and make it bigger. I honestly don't think the vocals are bad, just needs more support from the "band". Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Colton Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 Thanks everybody. Yes, I did drop it to the key of D. I feel comfortable with it but maybe I can lay back just bit and try to sing with the music instead of over the music. Yes the drums are midi. I used EasyDrummer 3 but I had problems because I had trouble with the time signature. I had to quantize the drum pieces in triplets within the 4/4 time signature. Maybe one of you guys can help me with that. I'll also try panning guitars right/left and see how it sounds. And bass tracks have always been as problem for me, I'll see what I can do with that. Thanks Again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Colton Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 Keeping in mind the great suggestions above, here's the new mix. Maybe different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Screed Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Hello Patrick, my ears are still struggling with the timing, and I can't quite figure out what it is. I keep wanting to get into the groove but I just can't find what to latch on to. Maybe some splits and some nudges are in order, or some laborious transient positioning. The elements are there. You have the skills, that's for sure. It is fun to listen to the progression of work you are putting into this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 On 3/12/2020 at 11:44 AM, Patrick Colton said: put the song up on Facebook and I'm not really getting many likes Let's be honest here Pat, this charted at #3 back in the day, and evidently the Guardians sound track went #1? This is a big tune! And Mickey Thomas, not Elvin (wisely), tore it up with the vocal! Total honesty here, not a personal attack, but why am I not surprised? (facebook response) This is not a "straight" cover. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're going for a kind of Hendrixy guitar, on what was a keys driven pop tune. You're gonna have to "massage" this backing track, and then if I'm behind the glass, don't "force" the vocal. I'd try it laid back, almost conversational. But that's just me... 13 hours ago, Patrick Colton said: Maybe different Again, honestly? not so much. Don't take any of this personal, I have a looong history of taking on big vocals, and more guitar (your guitar work is fine, so this comment is sole about me and not you!) than I can handle. Baby, I've walked this "trail of tears", I got the scars to prove it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Colton Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 Okay.. Oh well. Time to move on to another tune. Thanks everybody! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy j Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Hi Patrick. Don't give up! The re-worked version is better. The guitar work is great and over all it sounds good, but I agree it just needs some tweaking. From my perspective, I am guessing that it might be (in part) the drums that could be influencing the timing. The bass pedal some times gets a bit out of sync with the overall tempo of the song or so it seem to me. A trick that I read about concerning vocals, is to mute some of the instrumental tracks and just keep the basic drum beat and the minimal number of instruments to keep the rhythm of the song going. Then record the vocal(s) to that --- keeping in mind how you want the vocal to sound and matching the vocal melody to the rhythm. Hope that helps. You're almost there and I would love to hear the finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Patrick Colton said: Time to move on Yikes! That's not what I meant! Oh boy, stuck my big foot in another one... t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Colton Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 Well, m I don't know how the kick can be off when it's running with the clock. Maybe I should use a different drum beat all together. Let me try that and see if it feels better. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookiee Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Only listened to the first version but the drum timing does appear off. Are you using a drum sampler like Superior or XLN or is this real drums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Here's a peace offering, I've got a track for you! fooled_around.cwp right click and "Save Link As" Long story, I have a plethora of midi tracks, some I've done, some I've bought, and many I "harvested" years ago. Somewhere I had found a program that scrounged the net for .mid files. Here's a sample of the track Fooled Around PM if you have any issues or need some help! t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Colton Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 Thanks! That just may work! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Colton Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 Okay, this is another mix of the above song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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