Calvin Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) I can't for the life of me find the cause of this sound. I have tried multiple fixes like the idefender 3.0 by ifi it didnt work. I thought it was a ground loop but not sure now. Could it be dirty power? my set up is guitar into a behringer d.i. box into the behringer u-phoria umc22 usb audio interface into my pc. (pc is an overpowered gaming pc. 16 gb of ram amd ryzen 2700 cpu) https://clyp.it/b41pag14 Edited February 4, 2020 by Calvin fixed sound clip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckebaby Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Calvin said: behringer d.i. box What kind ? Active or passive ? If active and you have it powered by adapter, try using a battery instead, this will help rule out a grounding issue. does the box have a ground switch ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) Quote it does have a ground switch, let me find the product number It is the behringer Ultra-DI DI400P. Edited February 4, 2020 by Calvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 5 hours ago, chuckebaby said: What kind ? Active or passive ? If active and you have it powered by adapter, try using a battery instead, this will help rule out a grounding issue. does the box have a ground switch ? https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DI400P--behringer-ultra-di-di400p-1-channel-passive-instrument-direct-box?&mrkgcl=28&mrkgadid=3303548046&product_id=DI400P&campaigntype=shopping&campaign=aaShopping%20-%20SKU%20-%20Live%20Sound%20%26%20Lighting&adgroup=Live%20Sound%20Accessories%20-%20Behringer%20-%20di400p&placement=google&creative=285688985274&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CjwKCAiAyeTxBRBvEiwAuM8dnYrkJG4SCzSgPlZrrj8v5gDBsra_AtB381yBcmZQELrKbWlvr8Gj5RoCFswQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds that is the DI box. Sorry i suck at using forums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckebaby Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Calvin said: it does have a ground switch Possibly a unique question... but, have you tried the switch ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckebaby Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Run me through your I/O (Input/output) diagram @Calvin. Are you running the guitar via 1/4 input thru the parallel and the output from the XRL into your mic pre amp on the u-phoria umc22 ? Or running the 1/4 parallel via 1/4 parallel out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckebaby Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Another factor here is the plug in, your audio clip sounds very close to a high gain distortion plug in. The intriguing thing is the oscillating sound (like birds). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, chuckebaby said: Run me through your I/O (Input/output) diagram @Calvin. Are you running the guitar via 1/4 input thru the parallel and the output from the XRL into your mic pre amp on the u-phoria umc22 ? Or running the 1/4 parallel via 1/4 parallel out ? Okay so the diagram is like this. guitar 1/4th imput to di box on the out side(right jack) di box to audio interface via xlr/1/4 cable then usb from the back of the interface to the pc with a pair of headphones in the headphone jack of the interface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, chuckebaby said: Another factor here is the plug in, your audio clip sounds very close to a high gain distortion plug in. The intriguing thing is the oscillating sound (like birds). Exactly the only way it goes away is if i mute all tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 @chuckebaby An idea I thought of it could be the fact im not using xlr to xlr but i would need a xlr cable to test... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 https://clyp.it/pqaizrst Ok, so i did some messing around with how it was hooked up. this is a little bit better butt... the first of the noises is me touching the metal peices on the guitar (noise is when i let go) the higher pitched noise after the guitar is me touching the metal base to my keyboard. x.x Feel like a noob. @chuckebaby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckebaby Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 You might relive some of the noise with an XLR cable but that to me sounds a lot like a high gain plug in. It adds to the noise floor. What's it like when your playing ? Does the noise seem lower when you touch the bridge or strings ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Yes the noise gets a little lower when i touch the bridge. I am trying to get a decent metal tone so there is a bit of gain in the signal chain x.x. @chuckebaby Edited February 5, 2020 by Calvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckebaby Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 20 hours ago, Calvin said: Yes the noise gets a little lower when i touch the bridge. I am trying to get a decent metal tone so there is a bit of gain in the signal chain x.x. @chuckebaby Then your probably going to have to put up with a little bit of noise. Let me ask though, what kind of guitar are you using ? If its a fender with SSS (single coils) then the 50 cycle hum is a killer, its one of the main reasons I switched to a Humbucker in the bridge of my #1 axe (an 06 Fender USA). As you can see its a one knob (volume/tone bypassed) 1 Humbucker racing machine for one thing only... Metal !!! Similar to Eddie Van Halen's guitar set ups on his early VH albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckebaby Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 A gate will help with the noise issue though. There is one in the pro channel modules. Its not great but does the job. Im a tone seeker, always have been, looking for the ultimate tone and will keep doing so. I have sets of Amp heads and speakers, ranging from V30s, greenbacks, eminence red coats, exc. I have stacks, 1x12's, combos, exc. Micing the cab is always the best route. plug ins are good for getting ideas down and sometimes, with the proper pre amps (I use a Focusrite ISA ONE) boost the tone before its input. Not always practical though in a small bedroom I understand. Possibly the reason I answered your post and not many have, because ive fought the noise war using high gain amps, plug ins for years and I know what its like. The di is a good idea because of the ground lift options, but your interface has a DI built in. What you don't want to do is run line in to line in. using the mic pre amp through an XLR cable will help as long as the pre amp options on your interface are set up correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 Ok I did ALOT of work last night (and research) i didn't understand that i only needed half the gain that i thought i would (bedroom tone i would dial in 3 o'clock or so) in the daw i only need 9-12 o'clock. It still doesnt have the crunch that i would like but i will try a preamp in between the tube screamer plugin and the emisary. The guitar that i'm using is a dean dimebolt it's HH 3 way switch vol vol tone. @chuckebaby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckebaby Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Calvin said: Ok I did ALOT of work last night (and research) i didn't understand that i only needed half the gain that i thought i would (bedroom tone i would dial in 3 o'clock or so) in the daw i only need 9-12 o'clock. It still doesnt have the crunch that i would like but i will try a preamp in between the tube screamer plugin and the emisary. The guitar that i'm using is a dean dimebolt it's HH 3 way switch vol vol tone. @chuckebaby That's the strange thing about recording vs. playing live. Don't be afraid to dial back a little bit of the pre gain volume. Set it up like you want it, then dial it back. It removes the sizzle and harshness that comes with over drive. A pre amp really does do a great job in the front end of a recording on electric guitars. I've been using one for years and recently switched over the ISA ONE. Its almost as if it acts like an active pick up. real gritty and soaring. Let me know how this works out for you and I'd love to hear it when its done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 i cant seem to find any free pre amp plug ins. (yes i know im being cheap, but being a line cook I don't have money to blow) any idea of where i could find one online? @chuckebaby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckebaby Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Ya the one that comes with Cakewalk, TH3 by Overloud. I personally prefer others but this one is free and happens to be included with Cakewalk so the continence undeniable . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckebaby Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 They should already be installed if you downloaded everything from the Bandlab app. If the plug in doesn't show up in FX... You may have to install more than the core package of cakewalk. Use the Install Add on option in the Bandlab app There are a few really good amp/cab combo's in TH3 that are heavy as H ! Totally geared towards Dime's sound. not sure if those cabs are unlocked but you'll get a good ballpark idea. This is a great way to get ideas down and also get some really good recordings. As I said, I always mic my amps/cabs but that isn't always an option and this is where Guitar amp VST's really thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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