aidan o driscoll Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Toddskins said: And every aspect of Windows 10, sacrifices your privacy. Spying is in every single facet of the software and attempting to "cut it off", you might as well never buy into it. From Alexa the assistant to the browsing habits to the automatic updates evaluating what you "need" and don't need, and I've read other sites that give a better list than I can from memory. If this is such a concern for you just plug your win/cakewalk system off the internet/wifi and if you need to update your software like Cakewalk do so via download drom another on line systems onto a USB Stick. Or at minimum have your system online for limited periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell White Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 18 hours ago, Promidi said: Definitely not happening with most who have updated What did Cakewalk support say when you contacted them about this? No, not yet. I'm seeing if I can use an older version of PLAY, as this is now what is causing all of problems. New Update of CWB and PLAY don't like each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraSin Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Toddskins said: And every aspect of Windows 10, sacrifices your privacy. Spying is in every single facet of the software and attempting to "cut it off", you might as well never buy into it. From Alexa the assistant to the browsing habits to the automatic updates evaluating what you "need" and don't need, and I've read other sites that give a better list than I can from memory. I hate to tell you this but if you have a smartphone, the same thing is going on. It's listening to you right now so it can use keywords to advertise to you better. Likewise, Google is spying on you every time you make a search, many programs send data back to their servers, Apple sends the same type of data to it's servers, if you have Facebook or use Amazon, your whole argument against Windows 10 gets thrown out the window, the list goes on. As Promidi stated, the telemetry stuff can be turned off. It takes only a couple minutes to do and you can go deeper than the options if you wish and turn more off but you start to lose functionality which if you're not using a lot of that stuff, won't really matter. Automatic updates can likely be deferred or if you're brave, turned off completely though I would recommend keeping security updates on either way. Also, firewalls are wonderful things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, TerraSin said: I hate to tell you this but if you have a smartphone, the same thing is going on. It's listening to you right now so it can use keywords to advertise to you better. Not really See: https://www.wandera.com/mobile-security/phone-listening/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurre Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Aha, gotcha... So it's here you're hiding. I knew there had to be a win 10 war somewhere. And here it is in the notification about Cakewalk update.? Windows 7 pro R U L E S ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antler Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Promidi said: Not really See: https://www.wandera.com/mobile-security/phone-listening/ Unfortunately, their test plan doesn't include use cases where apps such as Facebook are open, or the phone is in use; only where they Quote Close all apps on the device, disable automatic app updates, and lock the phones The results may or may not differ, but it would be interesting to include that test case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, antler said: Unfortunately, their test plan doesn't include use cases where apps such as Facebook are open, or the phone is in use; only where they If you actually believe this, that the solution is simple. Don't install the Facebook App. If you also believe this, then you also have to believe this about many other apps that require access permission to your phone's microphone. Even with the official Facebook APP installed, the Facebook App does not listen to your conversations all the time. If it did, can you imagine how fast your battery would drain and how much data would be required for it to do that..? Being the user of a DAW (with your knowledge of how much space audio data actually takes) you should be in a better position to release that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antler Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I was commenting on the completeness of their test cases - not whether or not any app (I took Facebook as an example) is spying. 30 minutes ago, Promidi said: If you actually believe this, that the solution is simple. Don't install the Facebook App. If you also believe this, then you also have to believe this about many other apps that require access permission to your phone's microphone. I don't use Facebook. And honestly I don't know whether other apps are spying on me: I don't actively believe they are, but I wouldn't be surprised if I found out they were. 33 minutes ago, Promidi said: Even with the official Facebook APP installed, the Facebook App does not listen to your conversations all the time. I didn't say it was spying on me all the time. I didn't even suggest it was spying at any time. I was saying the test cases in that article were lacking in completeness. 38 minutes ago, Promidi said: If it did, can you imagine how fast your battery would drain and how much data would be required for it to do that..? Being the user of a DAW (with your knowledge of how much space audio data actually takes) you should be in a better position to release that. That's a very good point: as you say, both battery life and data usage would be significantly affected. With all of this security scrutiny going on, it would be a very silly thing to do. I didn't once actively suggest that the Facebook app is spying. However, Facebook did sell/release phone numbers that were supposed to be used only for 2FA to marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Alexa, Google and an unnamed android walked into a bar........................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 pwalpwal I can't deny the inevitable. I reckon there is no getting around it. I have no less than 4 Alexa devices, oh wait that's 5 because I have the Alexa TV remote with the Alexa dongle plus one Google home in the same house . This doesn't include my android smart phones. Google Home has the most info for calling phone numbers and doing things like ordering pizza. Better weather and traffic info which is surprising because Alexa is the product that is catching on the most. The good news is you can get Google home for a great price now. Alexa doesn't seem to know as much about the things I want to know, like my commute time in the morning. Maybe this is because I'm primarily tied into the Google browser, Google drive etc. My home automation is mostly controlled by Alexa. Alexa is great for adding shopping lists like "Alexa add bread to my shopping list". I then get that on my Alexa app in my smart phone. No wonder kids can't write any more. I became involved in Google Home because I received color changing smart bulbs for Christmas I put in my studio. An app in my phone changes the colors. I have them on a nice purple color right now. The person who gave me the bulbs didn't know they were Google. I seen a great deal for a Google Home AND two more smart bulbs. They were almost giving the Google home away with the bulbs, so I bought it. There is an app you can get that allows the two to cross pollinate but Google keeps changing the code on it because the two companies hate one another....a developer had it working until that happened. I don't doubt that they probably listen when they shouldn't be listening. One day that might become very important since I could yell Alexa call 911 or Hey Google, call the police.....just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 11:23 AM, Freyja Grimaude-Valens said: Upgrading from Win 7 always carries a risk, and I don't want to end up bricking something that is mission critical. Over 3+ years is a pretty long mission, and backup drives are not that expensive. If this is actually "mission critical" then that implies money is made with such machines and services, thus you are in a better position than most to afford to upgrade over that time. As was pointed out by others, not doing anything also carries a risk. I was scared about the update as well a long time ago, (would my far more expensive I/O hardware stop working with the lack of drivers)? So I waited until others took the plunge, I was not an early adopter in the update. Plenty of risk staying where I was though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 hours ago, pwalpwal said: cannot be uninstalled from latest android devices It can if you know what your doing... and if you root your phone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraSin Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Promidi said: It can if you know what your doing... and if you root your phone... Just like how you can turn it off in Windows if you know what you're doing... Just be prepared for certain things to not work properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, TerraSin said: Just like how you can turn it off in Windows if you know what you're doing... Just be prepared for certain things to not work properly. Are you saying that the Facebook App is "part of Windows"?..... I have yet to see that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraSin Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Promidi said: Are you saying that the Facebook App is "part of Windows"?..... I have yet to see that.... Telemetry, not Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, TerraSin said: Telemetry, not Facebook Someone claimed that the Facebook App is built in to recent Android devices. I responded about uninstalling the Facebook App for such Android device is possible by rooting their phone. With regards to disabling telemetry in Windows 10, I have disabled as much as I can and still, I have not experienced any loss of useful functionality. I still have the ability to install Windows updates come Patch Tuesday... and Windows 10 1909 still does I everything I need it to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraSin Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Decrapify Windows 10 script is awesome for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mánibranðr Studios Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Brian Walton said: Over 3+ years is a pretty long mission, and backup drives are not that expensive. If this is actually "mission critical" then that implies money is made with such machines and services, thus you are in a better position than most to afford to upgrade over that time. As was pointed out by others, not doing anything also carries a risk. I was scared about the update as well a long time ago, (would my far more expensive I/O hardware stop working with the lack of drivers)? So I waited until others took the plunge, I was not an early adopter in the update. Plenty of risk staying where I was though. That's just wrong. I don't have the kind of money or tools to mitigate the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSteven Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, Freyja Grimaude-Valens said: I don't have the kind of money or tools to mitigate the risk. It really doesn't take much money... Hard drives are cheap. How big is your boot drive? You can buy a 2.5" 2TB bare drive for under $60** and a 30day trial for Acronis True Image 2020 for free.https://www.acronis.com/en-us/homecomputing/thanks/acronis-true-image-2020/ and if all goes well you can keep the backup and later if need you it then buy a licensed version or wait till they have a sale. Note that there are other good backup programs and some decent free ones - I've just been using Acronis for years and have been happy with it. **a quick google search came up with 4 deals on 2.5" 2TB drives. Granted they're bare drives, but that's really all you need. The reason I mentioned 2.5" drives is that all you need to run one (connect it to your PC for use) is an adapter cable (and assuming that your USB ports are up to spec - no power supply or power cable needed). You can get SATA to USB cables dirt cheap.USB 3.0 to SATA III Adapter Cable with UASP SATA to USB Converter for 2.5" Hard Drives for $6.99 or on EBay for $2.78SATA/SSD/HDD Drive to USB 2.0 Adapter Converter Cable for 2.5 Hard Drive Top If you already own an HD docking station then you can save $10 or more per drive by buying 3.5" versions. Edited January 8, 2020 by TheSteven edited for clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mánibranðr Studios Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, TheSteven said: It really doesn't take much money... Hard drives are cheap. How big is your boot drive? You can buy a 2.5" 2TB bare drive for under $60** and a 30day trial for Acronis True Image 2020 for free.https://www.acronis.com/en-us/homecomputing/thanks/acronis-true-image-2020/ and if all goes well you can keep the backup and later if need you it then buy a licensed version or wait till they have a sale. Note that there are other good backup programs and some decent free ones - I've just been using Acronis for years and have been happy with it. **a quick google search came up with 4 deals on 2.5" 2TB drives. Granted they're bare drives, but that's really all you need. The reason I mentioned 2.5" drives is that all you need to run one (connect it to your PC for use) is an adapter cable (and assuming that your USB ports are up to spec - no power supply or power cable needed). You can get SATA to USB cables dirt cheap.USB 3.0 to SATA III Adapter Cable with UASP SATA to USB Converter for 2.5" Hard Drives for $6.99 or on EBay for $2.78SATA/SSD/HDD Drive to USB 2.0 Adapter Converter Cable for 2.5 Hard Drive Top If you already own an HD docking station then you can save $10 or more per drive by buying 3.5" versions. I appreciate that you're trying to bring deals to me, but saying that it doesn't take much money isn't going to cause the money I need to make the purchases to magically appear on my lap. Besides, any money that comes my way is going to towards helping a friend not die from a spider bite. Edited January 8, 2020 by Freyja Grimaude-Valens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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