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9 minutes ago, David Baay said:

Just to clariify, MIDI 2.0 Velocity offers 65,536 (16-bit) possible values with the value encoded in the the Note On/Off messages as it is in MIDI 1.0.

What's commonly referred to as "Hi-Res Velocity" (what Vidal is offering) is just a MIDI 1.0 convention for using a CC88 message sent immediately before a Note On/Off message that can be interpreted by the receiving instrument as dividing the velocity value by another 128, yielding 16,384 (14-bit) possible  values.

Thank you.    Does Sonar then have the current capability of taking advantage of the the possible values of the Vidal example?

Here is an example of a piano controller that uses high resolution midi:
https://playvidal.com/products/vidal

Here is quote from it: "Our electronics capture hi-res MIDI, with over 16,000 velocity values where most keyboards only support 127."

And my underrstanding is that Cubase allows for high resolution midi.  This is from AI about Cubase:
High-Resolution MIDI Velocity (MIDI 2.0):
While standard MIDI 1.0 uses a 7-bit velocity value (0-127), MIDI 2.0 introduces a 16-bit velocity value, offering much finer control over dynamic expression. 
This means you can have 16,384 possible velocity values instead of 128, providing a much wider range for dynamic expression. 
Cubase 13 supports MIDI 2.0, allowing you to take advantage of this higher resolution velocity. 

NOTE:  This seems like it would be a pain in the editing process.  But maybe it is better in the capturing process.

Does Sonar do high resolution midi?  (Such as velocity)  If not yet, are there plans for it?
Thank you!

Thank you IgoRr.

The Shift did not work.  But the deleting the aud.ini worked!!!

Problem solved thanks to you!

1 minute ago, noynekker said:

Which audio interface do you have ? You say Sonar will not open, but you were able to select "no tracks or busses", so it must be kind of opening.

It sounds like Sonar is getting stuck trying to rectify the audio set up. This is only my guess, because I had a similar issue recently . . . and you'll certainly have to give the great people here more info on your environment settings to get to the bottom of it.

Thank you.  I am using a Lynx  Aurora  audio driver that is thunderbolt.  I have been using it for several years and no problem with cakewalk/bandlab or with Sonar.  I turned on the computer today, and the problem arose today, with no other changes!  If I try to open a project directly, it will not work.  It hangs before the opening screen where one can select drum replacer, etc..   If I try to open a new project with 4 empty tracks for example, it will not work.  So, I was lucky to find out that if I open it with "no tracks or busses" the rest of the opening process occurs and everything works fine.   I am wondering if there is a windows 11 audio driver that is somehow interfering with it.  I will check that out next.  (I.e., do I have windows selecting some other audio device?)  Is there more information I can provide?   Thank you so much!

Hi great people.  So for some reason Sonar would not open today. I tried many different things.  Finally, I was able to select "no tracks or busses" and it started working with no problem. 

But everytime I open Sonar now I have to do that.  Otherwise it just remains stuck without fully opening.  I also  removed Sonar as a program and resinstalled it,  but the same thing happend.

Any thoughts?  This is sort of a nuisance.  Thank you!

I think you meant 8.5.3.  By the way, I loved the look and performance of 8.5.3.

Do you have the latest version that was issued yesterday. 2025.02 Update 1 (build 31.02.0.074) 

The reason I am asking is that it is still 2025.02, but it is an update to it.

1 hour ago, IgoRr said:

Today is one of the happiest dates in recent years - with the release of this update, I can fully work in my favorite DAW, which I rightfully considered and consider the best workstation of all existing ones!
I don't know exactly who to thank, but I want to express my endless gratitude to those developers who took into account my comments regarding graphic bugs in ProChannel and some other sections, HUGE THANKS to the entire Cakewalk team!     🙏

That is great news!  And they did it so fast!

Personally, I want them to focus on stability over toys.

8 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Maybe so. The only drawback I can think of is that users of this forum seem to often neglect to make use of the search function, therefore such a thread might become "invisible" once it scrolled off of the first page. Other than that, I can see it going on for many years and hundreds of posts. I'd probably split it into one for FX and another one for instruments.

 

 

Yes - the threads could be a sticky.  And fine for splitting between instruments and effects.  And frankly, it would be nice to have subtopics such as reverb, compressors, limiters, eq, etc.

Maybe a thread with a list of free decent plugins that are available would be helpful.

I saw this link to free plugins that are claims to be very good.  
https://www.joehagenmusic.com/post/a-comprehensive-guide-to-high-quality-free-plugins-that-you-ll-actually-use

And more:
https://blog.landr.com/free-vst-plugins/

And I am sure there are more!  I personally would rather have Sonar development people working more on stability, audio engine, the PRV which needs great improvements imho, etc.

P.S.  All in all, I am very happy with Sonar.

I am not Bristol.  But It may be that your es8 connection to the computer has more latency than your computer keyboard.   Make sure you have a short and great cable between your es8 and the computer.   Also, I found that for myself, if I increase the sample rate of the project, that the latency of playing the external keyboard (like an es8) goes down.

All the best.

We should feel insecure that without financial support,  a business entity will not have the means to sustain great support/improvement staff that needs money to live on.  While I would prefer a purchase (licensing) model, the rent model at least works.   The fact that Bandlab has gone from a free platform to a fee system, should add to the sustainability of the product.  

And to be really technical, even a purchase option is no guarantee as operating systems can change over time and there can be a time when the purchased product has serious glitches with newer operating systems, plugins, etc.

So, I look at the history with Bandlab.  First, Bandlab saved Cakewalk and offered it free for years. Was that sustainable when it was free?  No!  Did people complain?  Hardly anyone complained when it was free even though it was not sustainable.   Like in every good contract, if there are not benefits to both parties, it will not last very long.

Now that the company has decided what they think is sustainable, some people are complaining because they do not like subscriptions. That is understandable.  But it is certainly no less a sustainable product than when it was offered for free.

As a long time user since the 90s, and with many files from decades ago that I can open in Sonar,  and given the low fee for the subscription, I just cannot complain.  Add on top of that this great forum and staff people.

There are probably a lot of happy users that just do not post at all.

By the way, it is about $177 from Jrrshop if it is a crossgrade and you use the FORUM code.

East West having a bundle sale here:  https://www.jrrshop.com/eastwest-world-instruments-bundle

Gypsy, Silk and Ra.  Older libraries, but they work great with Sonar and there are some great sounds.  At this special price, it is worth having.

Almost anything by Eduardo Tarilonte is top notch and works with Cakewalk/Sonar.   Sometimes you can find a sound or several in libraries from East West that also did a great job with some world instruments (even going back to Gypsy and Ra - though some of the instruments are not all that great.)

 https://www.bestservice.com/en/ancient_era_persia.html 

The VI forum is a great place to check on these "world" libraries.  I have tried quite a few and never had a problem with Cakewalk/Sonar for many years and variations of the program.   So, first I would choose based on the sound selection and sample quality that you want.

https://vi-control.net/community/forums/sample-talk.32/

All the best on your endeavors!

Great news!  Maybe a good idea to add "solved" to the thread title!

As I understand it, the Bakers are working on a new Theme Editor that will work with the new Sonar.   They changed the type of graphics for something that they believe will provide more longevity or use of this product, but apparently the new type of graphic approach does not work with the prior theme editor.  So, they have promised a new theme editor.   I have to believe this is on their list, so some patience will be needed.   Maybe the Bakers will chime in with more information (or a correction) from what I just stated.

17 hours ago, Alan Tubbs said:

here you go.

https://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/164/cakewalk-sonar-4-daw/

 

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Thanks for your review.  

https://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/164/cakewalk-sonar-4-daw/

I love Tape Op.  They might be able to print a correction of the Sonar name for their on-line review.  The hard copy magazine likely already went out.

In any event, anyone interested in Sonar from the review is likely to figure it all out.

4 hours ago, T Boog said:

I hear u. Im sure they know what they're doing but boy, they def covered their butt with that disclaimer.

Hanging heavy things from random ceilings is surely a sketchy business but they're saying even if they break something of yours during installation, that's YOUR problem. And if they didn't tighten down a wire properly and it falls on ur wife, again... that's YOUR problem 😄

I guess moral of the story is...  Get home insurance!

Agreed.  Maybe it was written by their insurance company!

3 hours ago, T Boog said:

Thanks a lot my friend but Im just gonna diy this thing. There's been a lot of great advice here. I feel confident I can cut most of that noise down.

Btw, did u read RealTraps' disclaimer? If they installed anything for u, I hope it doesn't fall on ur head because they literally take responsibility for nothing...

"Neither RealTraps nor its owners shall be liable for any damage caused by the installation, use, or misuse of these products including, but not limited to, loss of profit, business interruption, a trap falling off the wall and breaking your vintage Neumann tube microphone, or landing on someone's head, or any other mishap including incidental or consequential damages"

                ...🤣

Interesting.  In my past experience with them, it was not about buying anything from them.  It was about getting some advice.  Maybe they do not do the "advice" thing any more.    (I spoke to Ethan there and he was very helpful but this was years ago and things might be different now.)