Eddy Mulder

And regards the instrument definition file , it doesnt have any relation to how cakewalk sends your bank select / control change. Before i invest time to make it in notepad, what also was thinking of, i need to fix the issue / find the root cause why a ProgramChange 0 is send after i send a program change..

The problem is not the Bank Select, my midi device uses ControlChange 0 for that , that works perfectly. The problem i have is with the program change that cakewalk adds for no reason after every defined program change (or initiated from the attached keyboard when forwarding the input to the desired output port / channel) a program change 0. This means that i can only selected bank 0 sound 0 , bank 1, sound 0 , etcc.. what ever patch select i choose ... this is perfectly shown in the midi analyzer tool that cakewalk does this , Using a different software application , it doesnt happen.

Yes i have, tried several options from default , general midi , to any of the available options , even created a new instrument definition. Selecting different definition, doesnt change the output i get when doing a program change... in my opinion it is just the definition of the available selectable sounds,so it is easy for the user to select the correct soundbank and the sounds available on that bank , but has nothing to do which traffic i send or how it is send In that screen what i find annoying you can only define the name of the instrument, but cant add bank information (which you see for some of the other defined instruments). None of the options gave me positive result, except that the startup behaviour is a bit different when reopening the saved project that other midi data is already send out at time of loading the project... Where these control changes are defined, i dont have a clue opened the instrument definition files and couldnt find any of them. explanation program change issue.pdf

i tried multiple options .... Option 1: My keyboard is connected to the Midi-In interface of my pc , and the midi-out is connected to a midi analyzer. On my keyboard i Select Sound nr3. The Program change is send to the pc, and as i selected the midi track it is forwarded out to the midi-out interface. The same Program change is send out , but directly after that, the cakewalk sends also a program change with value 0. Option 2: i selected the midi track, opened the even viewer and added an entry (Program change nr 3. This is again send out , and also the program change 0.. Option 3 , is as you mentioned using the insert bank/patch. As Bank Select select method , selected Control 0 (which is correct), entered a bank nr and selected a sound. gain same ebhaviour , On controller 0 the bank nr is send correctly , but on the program change the sound nr is send and an other program change with value of 0 . I used a simple program (Pocket Midi)to test the used midi interfacec ( i tried 2 different models/types without any differen behaviour. I choose the menu option Program change, there you give the Midi Channel ,Bank MSB value(Controller 0) and the program nr. When i then hit Send, all the correct values are send , the correct sound in the correct bank is selected. This rules out that it could be an issue with the midi (interface) drivers... I am using version 2025.11 Build 068 I Hope this explains all what i tried during the troubleshooting and why i suspect an issue with Cakewalk Sonar. regards Eddy

I am a newbee to Sonar , this said, having a long history in using sequencers (until i came around this nice program which is allowed to be used for free for non comercial use , which is great to experiment and check if the application can do what i want to do ... The 1st issue i am having is when insert a bank/patch change .. I noticed that (at least on midi tracks as this is where i can easily monitor the traffic), that after the selected patch/ program change value is send, another program change is send with value 0 ... I cant figurer out where it is coming from. I tried different instruments, even created a new one , but all behave the same.. Also when i on my keyboard do a program change, this change is forwared to the midi interface , but also directly after that a program change value 0 is send. This prevents me to select the appropiate sound ..... i am convinced it is something within cakewalk as when i do the same using Pocket Midi, this strange behaviour isnt there... Hopefully some one can point me to the right direction which parameter to change or just confirm it is an undocumented feature (a Bug)... regards Eddy