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Possible setting change removed after testing it. The go-to-marker-on-stop part of what you want works, but it also goes to the marker and continues while playing. Clarification: Are you asking for a way to disable the "Now" marker?

Sorry I didn't make that clear--yes it worked. I also tried it again with a test audio arp track that did a few weeks ago. It took a while because it was much longer, but the audio to midi conversion seemed to work. If you are doing small sections at a time, it should be quicker. There's a MFX Arpeggiator, too, but I didn't try that. Not sure if there's anything helpful here:

I have never done this with the Inspector-based Arpeggiator. (I have done it with hardware.) It looks like it might be possible. If no one chimes in and says how to do it, I am going to try the methods listed here--on line documentation. Update: Nothing on that page allowed me to record the midi output of the arpeggiator. Maybe someone else has been able to do it. Update 2: Not sure this is the best way to do it, but in a simple test of a single arpeggiated note I recorded the arp pattern as audio, then exported it, then imported it to a midi track and let Cakewalk do its audio conversion to midi. I hope there's a better, more efficient way to record patterns as midi data.

NOTE: Since Cakewalk by Bandlab (CbB) and now Cakewalk Sonar has a history of on-going changes (improvements, bug fixes, etc.) some of the details related to this thread might change. For example: If at one point the CbB supplied Basic Workspace excluded the Event List and then an update fixed that omission, references in this thread to Event List as missing only apply to prior versions of CbB. UPDATE [2025-07-01]: So far as I have seen the basic methods for diagnosing a missing feature in Cakewalk Sonar (including the free tier) still work; however, as a labor of love I plan to update screenshots if needed. By missing features I mean functionality that from one day to the next just seems to have disappeared from an individual's setup, not functionality that is a Feature Request. ================================================================================== Different Workspaces can have different features enabled or disabled. For example, if Video or Event List or Markers is missing from the menu system, we do not have access to those features until we either (1) choose a different Workspace (including "None") or (2) tweak the current Workspace (either by creating a new one or resaving the tweaked one).

I am guessing you might have a Workspace that excludes the Event List if it is not available in the Views menu list. Try switching your Workspace to None or others (not Basic, though).

Does this help solve the problem for you?

Maybe your issue is similar to this?

Print > Save as PDF ? OK; we have to sign up to download. TY for the heads up.

Hope this helps:

Sorry; I removed it** because the OP had already downloaded the SI Suite and I thought the image (1) was off topic (not addressing the issues of (a) why they weren't being seen in the browser and/or (b) the non-CbB plug-ins mentioned--which your post addressed) and (2) was a distraction (large image, not specifically relevant to the issues the OP wanted to know about). **PS: Since it is more of a one-page visual step-by-step tutorial, I put it here.

Sorry for the error. When you referred to the previous thread: and saw I mistakenly thought that you needed to select an audio output. Evidently in non-ASIO mode you don't need to select an output here an audio out was later selected as evidenced by this thread.

Withdrawn - OT

FWIW, my laptop has 2019.07 CbB. (1) The awkward finger toggling is in that version, too. (It's the earliest CbB I still have.) (2) Not sure about others, but for me the awkwardness involving complex uses of Ctrl/Shift, (Left-)Click, and Drag is ten times worse on the laptop than on a non-laptop keyboard + mouse. Thank being said, my staff entry workflow has been to enter notes via a usb or midi keyboard and tweak and/or re-record parts--that is, not even close to 100% via manual note entry and manipulation. I am not sure this discussion helps Akira Chen, but I am glad he posted the problem in the first place and for all the contributors to the discussion. I have some motivic pencil and paper sketches and drafts that have been on my to-do list for a while, and I now have some strategies for those kinds of projects and for others that might involve heavy duty mouse-and-keyboard manipulation of notes. Apologies if anyone thinks this was not directly related to the OP. And, again, thanks to all who chimed in.

Thanks for all the clarifications. FWIW, in SONAR Platinum Demo, the select and drag to re position seems to work properly on my PC--that is, without having to do complex finger toggling (Ctrl/Shift, etc.) the entire block of selected notes moves. I wonder what was gained somewhere by changing this behavior in CbB. I am guessing something in the PRV. BTW, I can now officially relate to all the newbies who complain about how complicated CbB is and with the people who seem to yell, "How dare you change the feature I have been using for decades? Please put it back."

Clicking and keeping the left click button down while dragging just changes the size of the rectangle. The cursor/arrow/pointer does not change to anything else. Or do you mean to use your method in combination with the awkwark (1) Ctrl + Click then (2) Release Ctrl + Move process that David explained? Also, how do you get the snap function working like it used to? Thanks.

Thanks for clarifying that. I agree--it's awkward, but it does move the notes. Too bad it can't work like it does in X3--where the snap function also works. I might look for a similar awkward set of finger toggling steps to get the snap functionality back; but I think using Sonar 3 or X3 is easier on my aging hands. Thanks for pointing out the step I was missing!!

Am I reading that thread correctly in that the only output you have selected is the Microsoft Wavetable Synth as a MIDI Output? Or did you make the Realtek Chip an Audio Output, too?

Actually, I wouldn't mind if a single multi-docked tab could have more than one sizable pane--such as a section of Staff AND a section of PRV, like we have several sizable sections/panes (1) for track, bus, and hardware sliders with a docked console and (2) staff and track sections as seen below. (Maybe it is currently possible and I haven't found it yet?)

I got a copy in the new location by holding down the Ctrl key using just the Select Tool (not Move or Smart). Useful for doubling. ? But maybe that points to a setting somewhere that sets up Copy as a preference.

We might be using different, unstated steps from different, unstated visual configurations. I tested the following with a single track in staff view (a) docked in the multi-dock, undocked in the multi-dock, and undocked from the multi-dock. In all three cases, when I have the Smart Tool selected from the Control Bar Tools Module (Large, Locked & Centered, and Docked at the top), I either have the Draw Icon or the Forbidden Icon. To select multiple notes, I use the Select Tool and draw a box around the notes which turns the heads blue. I can move one and only one note at a time. I then changed the Smart Tool by right clicking so only Move is checked. I can still only move one note at a time. NOTE: I am not doubting that you got it to work. I am just trying to figure out if I am missing a step you used and if so, what step that is.

Oh, I don't doubt that the PRV is a useful tool. Didn't mean to imply it wasn't. I am just so old, that after decades of writing music on staves, its just quicker for me. I also use pencil and paper to jot down musical ideas I plunk down on a non-electric, non-electronic, wood and metal upright piano--though I also have a usb -midi keyboard** in front of my PC keyboard at all times (below the hardware modules that bring my PC monitor to eye level)! **very useful for recording midi using a software synth, tweaking in Staff View, orchestrating, etc. Oh, I also use the Event List, too. So I hope that doesn't get decapitated, too. Even if CbB becomes MIDI 2.0 friendly/compliant, I hope they will keep the Event List for the sake of old farts legacy beings like me. ? BTW, the PRV is not really daunting to me--I was joking about falling off. Its more a matter of a personal workflow / efficiency. I have mentally book marked using the PRV for percussion (when I get to that). For me, I think the PRV will be better than the Staff View for percussion (now that we can easily see the instruments!), though I can see how for some users the step sequencer might be preferred, especially with some musical genres. To each his or her Dulcinea. BTW, I just gave your suggestion an extended test drive, and it works nicely for notes within a narrow range. In fact, the visual transposition of the chromatic movement is handy. Having to re-size the PRV pane and using a scroll wheel to zoom out to see more octaves at once is a bit uncomfortable. However, I might be able to tweak my current "Staff Entry" Workspace to include a floating PRV on a second monitor that I can slide over to my main work area to use the PRV to move notes around on an as needed basis. So, thanks for the suggestion!!!

This is a Staff View issue. (Some of us use the Staff View.) The learning curve to use the PRV is too steep for me. I have tried many times, but I keep falling off and lose precious time. ? I realize putting notes on staves is so old-fashioned, but I hope the Staff View is not decapitated for another few decades.

I have not tested this yet, but I wrote a PM to report these issues. I don't think we should have to use work-arounds for things that worked in previous versions. As for me, I prefer having the tools within the Staff View pane/window (as opposed to on the Control Bar which I prefer not to use when I am entering/editing note data in the Staff View), so I don't mind using Sonar 3.