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After I wrote the previous reply, I did some additional checking with my setup and found some things I want to double check tomorrow. In short, I got some confusing results that I didn't have before. I switched the MIDI Mode Driver from MME to UWP and sent program changes and nonmeaningful bank switch MSBs and LSBs (nonmeaningful in the sense that they did not correspond with valid installed P2500 banks which should have been recorded nevertheless). @Eddy Mulder It might not make a difference, but is your MIDI Driver Mode** set to MME or UWP? **Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording > Driver Mode UPDATE [2025-12-21]: On my system, with my gear and configurations, I have traditionally used MIDI Driver Mode = MME. While I can do some things with UWP mode, I have had issues, esp. with legacy gear. Based on my tests this morning (with my specific gear and configuration / setup / routing / etc.) looking just at sending Program Change commands, in MME mode the Program Change commands get executed and recorded properly by my P2500 (from real time usb keyboard button presses or from a MIDI Track with Program Change events). However, in UWP mode they don't get executed or recorded properly with my P2500. Caveats: Based on these tests I cannot assign any specific cause. I did not look at keypresses from my usb keyboards MSB and LSB buttons. However, the UWP recording shows all Program Changes [0] were recorded with MSB = 47 and LSB = 49. I do not know where the MSB and LSB values came from.*** I have not tested this with any other MIDI interfaces. I hope this helps. ***possibly/probably from prior MSB/LSB values sent from the usb keyboard and retained somewhere, such as the P2500 itself.

Unfortunately, I was unable to get Cakewalk to output bogus Program Change = 0 commands after each incoming Program Change. USB keyboard --> PC running Cakewalk --> E-Mu 2x2 interface --> P2500 [sound module with built in MIDI Recorder/Sequencer] Test 1: MIDI Program Changes done on USB Keyboard echoed as above. Monitored the display. Patches changed in the sound module were the same as sent from the keyboard. There were no extra Patch changes to 0 (or any other random number after each one sent. Test 2: Same setup. Pass 1: Recorded random notes for 30+ measures. Pass 2: Recorded Program Changes on the same track. Playback of notes used the live-switched Program Changes. Switched module to Edit Mode to examine recorded Events. The Sequencer captured the Program Changes without capturing any additional ones in between. IMPORTANT: This is not to say you don't have the problem, just that with different equipment (PC, gear, etc.) I was unable to get those results, yet.

Thanks for the clarifications. Sorry I couldn't help. I can't recall ever having had Cakewalk echo out an extra Program Change 0 Command when it received an incoming Program Change of any value. But I haven't tried echoing out incoming MIDI data to hardware through Cakewalk Sonar. I have played some files with note and CC data though. I do have a sound module that includes a sequencer section. If it still works, I'll see if it records an extra program change command going through Sonar.

I did my Instrument Definitions in Notepad. When they added the wizard I couldn't use it because it took me way more time to use than just typing a basic text document and I could just cut and past patch / preset lists. So I had no idea you can't add bank names with the wizard. [See ADDENDUM below.] Have you tried editing the Instrument Definition in a basic text editor (such as Notepad)? ADDENDUM: I might have misunderstood what you meant by " . . . can't add bank information . . . ." What bank information can't you add with the wizard? I ask because I just did a test by importing a bank from a hand-edited *.ins file.

IIRC I used to use 3 commands to do Bank Switching: Bank switch MSB command Bank switch LSB command Program change command IIRC some gear only uses one of the two Bank switch commands Not sure what was sent IIRC the Instrument Definition tells Cakewalk Software which Bank switching method to use. Assuming my memory is correct, does this help solve the issue?

Kudos to Anto Kovacic and Jason Gibbins!

No, that was from what I had already. I forgot that sometimes AAS does updates and doesn't change the version numbers. I will download the current versions of Multiphonics and double check. Thanks for the reminder.

According to the AAS Website, the most recent versions are: For CV-1: v.1.1.1 For CV-2: v.2.2.0 For CV-3: v.3.0.0 Mine all seem to be current. My *.exe dates are as follows (U.S. date format): For CV-1: 5-5-2023 For CV-2: 4-3-2024 For CV-3: 2-17-2025 From this, I have concluded there have been no version updates since those dates.

I assume they did because after booting Sonar, 2 new plug-ins were detected and Pigments 7 started. UPDATE: Voltage Modular's Plugin Host requires users to manually navigate to the DLL or VST3. So I did and they were in the respective folders I use.

Yeah--something is going on--went to do the what's new tutorial and there's either an animated background or a video built-in. With sonar at 5-10%, it seems like the tutorial animation / video makes Pigments come to a crawl. Can't even change anything. Could be trying to call home to validate my license and the ASC server is overloaded. Or it could be the "Redesigned Play View" which has either the video or the animated image. UPDATE: After 15-20 min. of Pigments 7 running at a snail's pace, I killed Sonar via Task Manager. I did have MIDI and sound (usb keyboard > Sonar > Pig 7), but nothing else other than the Tutorial's new "Play View" (background animation?) and data changing in the Task Manager did anything. UPDATE 2: Tried Voltage Modular, Exact same issues--over 2 GB of memory consumed; almost everything else was at a snail's pace; had sound, mouse moved, nothing would respond, tutorial amination /video. This time I only waited about 30-40 seconds before killing the Pig turned Hog in Task Manager.

Using the ASC I couldn't even log in. Then I remembered the "trick"--just download it!

Thanks for the heads up. Funny thing: this morning I ran the ASC to make sure everything I had was up to date. Just guessing that was before Pigments 7 came out.

See discussion below.

From the website:

IDK--I don't use it any more--thanks to SM3. 🙂 But its easy enough to check. The popup says the latest version of ONE is v 1.6.2.

JMO: This is about a zillion times better than when Synthmaster Player was/is free. Bias / Disclaimer / Implied Warning: I have no financial interest in Synthmaster other than having upsold myself with the Everything Bundle a few years ago. 😉

FWIW, earlier today I had effectively deleted Modules Manager by renaming it and the shortcut to remove it from the start menu. Forgot about that until shutting down a few minutes ago. THE BOTTOM LINE: I ran the current IK Product Manager, and reinstalled T-Racks 6 MAX. That reinstalled everything including the Modules Manager and the Start Menu shortcut.

Thanks for this. It is possible that (a) I created a shortcut once I found it in the folder from your post and then (b) by choosing the option to place it on Start and (c) finally moving it in with my other IK Start buttons. my actions caused it to be Start-searchable. I have a full agenda today, but might be able to figure out how whether or not it happened from an IK installer or my own actions. I am guessing it might have been from my own actions because last night I couldn't find an IK T-Racks 6 Installer dated after 8/28 which might have installed the Modules Manager. However, I have updated and run the IK Product Manager several times products since 8/28. If you can provide me the name of an IK Product Manager Installer log file, I can check that. I really would rather not uninstall IK stuff and then trace what happens with the string of IK Product Managers. Note, I have IK Product Manager zip file dates including 1.1.8 (2025-05-10) and 1.1.8 (2025-08-28) (plus later ones). The second one (1.1.8) jives with the date of my Modules Manager link (see above) and the time I was reconstructing my boot drive and reinstalling some IK Products. So, it is possible that either the Product Manager or another IK Installer put the link there.** FWIW, my latest IK Product Manager (1.1.10) was is dated 10/31 and I first ran the Modules Manager after Starship Krupa posted about it. **MEMORY JOGGED: I just now remembered being surprised that I had the Modules Manager when I looked based on this thread. Not sure if the surprise realization was from (A) finding it using my file searching utility or (B) from finding the icon/button already in the Start Menu. Intuitively I want to say (B), but my memory is not what it used to be. I hope this helps answer the question of how and when I got the Modules Manager into my Windows 10 Pro Start Menu. Over and out!

(1) (2) (3) I don't remember if that icon was placed in the Start Menu by an IK installer or if I put it there.

I will defer to your experience. But before I saw this reply, I looked up the comparison chart here. Then, when I went to your link, I saw: "What's new in v. 1.5: New module pack available for purchase: Sunset Sound Reverb Collection." Based on past experience, your word is good enough for me and should be good enough for any one who gets the Humble Bundle. Thanks for setting the record straight on this!

Are you sure they are included? I counted 77 modules in mine, which includes 5 from the extra ones I paid for way back when (the Sunset modules). The Humble Bundle blurb says 72. Of course, that could be a typo on their part. Maybe it says 77 somewhere else? ADDENDA: Don't get me wrong: for anyone interested in IKs products and who doesn't already have the products in the bundle, this looks like a nice assortment! Also, the video says 70 FX modules. So who knows what's included?

inMusic - are they the ones that now do AIR? I have had a crazy time trying with my iLok authorized AIR products that were OK before I made my C-Drive unbootable and had to create a new C-Drive. They have a siren sound at a very high level (in addition to the lower level noise injections). The siren actually hurts my ears plus the sound is introduced directly into the audio system--so changing the volume at the host level didn't help! I just check--its the same inMusic that uses the inMusic Software Center tool! BTW, after a while I think I found a solution: deactivate each and every plug-in in iLok, reactivate them on the same computer, etc. I think I also had to find the original AIR installers on my PC, because the old installers don't seem to be on line and the updated ones from inMusic might not be compatible with iLok. I hope I won't have to deal with this every 90-days. Is it just the Moog plug-ins that have this obstacle?

Clarifications: According to the IK > T-Racks 6 > Versions comparison table, the Lurssen Mastering EQ is not included in T-Racks 6 MAX. The Lurssen Mastering Console is a separate app / program. IK also lists a Lurssen Mastering Suite (includes both the TR6 Mastering EQ and the Mastering Console) and a Lurssen Mastering Suite MAX (includes the EQ, the Console, and T-Racks 6 MAX) NOTE: I have no financial interests in IK products (other than having paid for various licenses) and I am neither recommending them nor denigrating them. This is just a clarification related to my post thanking @Starship Krupa for his tip about IK's T-Racks 6 Modules Manager.

Thanks for this tip. I have had one license for the Lurssen Mastering Console since 2020 and another since 2022. I made the erroneous assumption that my T-RackS 6 MAX (2025) included all of the T-RackS Modules I had licenses for. But thanks to your tip, I saw I did not have the Lurssen Mastering EQ, I clicked some buttons in a few places, and now both the IK > User Area > My Products webpage and the Modules Manager show I have a license. I can't explain it; and TBH, when it comes to IK's MO, I have given up trying to understand what they do and why; just saying, "Thanks."

At the moment I cannot devote time and energy to get into a debate on personal preferences. Thanks for your offer, though. Note: I reserve the right to respond to your questions in several months. Please, be respectful that others might have different preferences and workflows. What you choose to do in any given instance or set of circumstances might be are right for you; what others choose to do under various circumstances can be right for them. Thanks.