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Glad to hear you got it working on your system. Others have mentioned that after problems, they had successes using the Synth Rack insertion method. I have used three methods: drop down menu, synth rack, right click from track pane. Maybe the advice is, if one insertion method doesn't work, try the others. Update: Make that four methods. I also use the Browser Insertion methods (usually via double-click, more than by dragging).

I mentioned that because frequently I see posts where people use a lot of Audio FX plug-ins and sometimes solutions to problems seem to come from isolating a plug-in or two that are problematic. My comment was intended to mean TTS-1 works for me, but I don't send the TTS-1 audio to a lot of plug-ins; so, if someone uses a lot of plug-in with TTS-1, my success might not be relevant if another person has a project using TTS-1 that uses more plug-ins than I use. I could try to start a new project with just a single TTS-1 instance (no FX) and jot down my steps, but since it works on my PC, I am not sure having the steps will help. Maybe it would be quicker if I did a small project that I know works on my setup and you could try that? If it works, then I will outline the basic steps. If on the other hand it doesn't work, maybe the project can be used to try to isolate the problem with much more detailed steps. I have several TTS-1 plug-ins on my PC, but I have confirmed that I am using the one on the bottom: Basic TTS-1 project attached. Steps: (1) Open Cakewalk, (2) Open Barebones [Blank] Template, (3) Right Click in Track Pane, (4) Choose "Insert Instrument," (5) Click "Create" in Wizard [no special options, but at the bottom it should point to the main output you use], (6) Wait until TTS-1 comes up, (7) Press the channel buttons at the bottom to make sure TTS-1 is pointing to your sound card/audio output device. If not, problem-solve audio to make sure your audio output is selected as the midi output, etc. To test my recorded midi: (8) Press Play/Space Bar. If it plays, great. If not, problem-solve midi/audio. To play live (and record), I then (9) expanded the track, (10) selected my usb/midi keyboard as the input device (Omni for all midi channels), and recorded a short phrase. Hopefully it plays the midi/audio track. If that's OK, maybe it won't crash when you try playing from your keyboard. PS: I just downloaded it. It played when I hit the space bar. Then it played live from my usb keyboard. You might have to check preferences and make sure it is set up for your midi/audio I/O.

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However, I have no idea with Melodyne player which after the trial expires. Maybe works? Thanks for digging out that link!! (I tend to try first and if the hands-on method doesn't work intuitively or as expected, then I check the online docs / reference guide.) So far I have only used variations of this method: "Drag an audio file from the Browser and drop it on a MIDI or Instrument track" although I have also dragged *.mp3, *.wav, and *.other files from a third-party file browser. I have too many things to do at the present, but that page you cited makes me wonder (1) what I can do with the other methods and (2) if the results will be different from the transparent method I have been using. So, thanks for leading me to the other options; I will put them on my to-do list to try.

My musical boats often float on crisscrossing/overlapping waves of ping-pong (and other) delay echoes. So, this could be used with any instruments hard-panned left or right. Just wanted to mention that because it really does depend on the sonic tapestry you as composer want. This is just one of millions of options to choose from.

Maybe its a feature of Cakewalk that uses Melodyne and not something that is available in other DAWs that only have Melodyne Essential? Just a guess. I raise this possibility because I had used the feature in Cakewalk several times before someone in the forum mentioned it uses Melodyne. When I drag an audio file (mp3, wav, etc.) to a midi track there is no sign that it is using Melodyne. So, to me, I just thought it was functionality built into Cakewalk.

For what its worth, I have been missing the old style set of tools--pre X Sonars--where we had the editing tools in the Staff View pane itself (as opposed to the Tools Module on the Control Bar). Maybe if the devs put that back it could also have the functionality you describe above. That way, maybe they could leave the functionality of the Tools Module the way it currently exists in order not to affect the workflows when not using the Staff View. Just a thought.

Also, I couldn't find them as choices for the Custom Module.

Based on the screen shot, it looks to me like pause is off. If so, the note below it about 3-19 is telling you that IF you turn it on, THEN the update will be paused until then. That would mean you are correct when you said you didn't do that--unless you turned it on and then off again. At least that's how I understand the screen shot you posted.

I only tested the Bandlab export mechanism once. But maybe you can export it from Cakewalk and upload it to Bandlab (the Mix-Editor/App) and you or your friend can export it and then import it to Cakewalk on the other PC. I think it would be easier to just use a flash drive to transport it or if you are too far apart e-mail it. However, Bandlab (the Web-browser based app) seems to be set up for collaborations across distances and if you can get the CbB -> BL -> CbB process nailed, it might be useful in the long run. Just a thought. Another possibility is with-midi-over internet. A while ago (8-10 years ago) I used something I think was called MIDI Tangle to send midi to a synth in NL (I am in the US) and I recorded the midi output from a friend in NL into Cakewalk. I forget what the latency was--possibly 400 ms each way (800 ms round trip). That was approx. 10 years ago. I am sure there are newer tools for doing midi-over-internet. I assume they would be faster and easier to use, too.

Out of curiosity, does pinning work anywhere? I never use it. Maybe the whole pinning mechanism is borked. I have no idea. Good luck with it; I know how frustrating having to change workflows can be.

Yours looks different than mine. Maybe its because I am logged in? Does the app allow you to either log in or sign up for an account?

Side by side (my screen shot on the right, w/o "Powered by Roland"):

Thanks for the details. You saved me lots of time--not having to try to figure out which dll is being used!! Mine says "Cakewalk" (not Roland). ?

FWIW, earlier today I looked at the file details for what seem to be 5 different TTS-1.dll files based on size. One says File Version 1.0.1; the others say 1.0.2; all are (c) 2004. I have not yet checked to see which one I am using, but am curious to try to find out which one I am using. Not sure if some of the variant dlls are problematic. The so-called "Date Modified" ranges from 9-11-2006 for 1.0.1 and from 8-27-2009 to 3-13-2018 for 1.0.2. Knock on wood, since I started with CbB (05-2019), TTS-1 has worked for me. However, I only send it through one or two audio FX plug-ins and one or two spectrum analysis plug-ins. Not sure any of this will help others DX [pun-intended] their TTS-1, but I was curious and figured as long as I did the research, why not share it.

I just checked my XP SP3 PC and my Win 10 PC and can't find any folders named VST32. Is that something individual users create? something an earlier version of Cakewalk/SONAR creates? something that third-party plug-in installers create? something JBridge creates? Just wondering. FWIW, I don't see people talking about a VST32 folder here. If its something only users do, I am not worried; but if other plug-in installers do that, I want to keep an eye open for them. Thanks.

Footnote: I just discovered that the Track Control [Widget] Icon images show up in the Insert Instrument Wizard--at least on my system. No guarantee that the devs won't change this, but at least for the moment its there. Here is a screen shot showing the wizard with a couple of the "Control Icons" using my "Scrabble for Juniors" style tiles.

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I don't use the PRV. I tend to use the Event List to examine suspected issues with MIDI. However, from your description you could problem-solve this by looking at the track headers to make sure each midi track is playing (pointing to) its own soft synth. This assumes you are using different tracks (as opposed to putting the midi data in one track). Please note: I left out steps on how to do this assuming you know where and how to set the midi track widgets.

I did the following artwork a couple of days ago, but thought I was overthinking your issue--surely others here will be able to help problem-solve the issue without complicated images. So, for what it's worth, here it is. I still have no idea from the discussion where you see sound and where you don't. BTW, there are other places to see sound, such as on track meters, but those should be reflected in the Console. Hope this helps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not sure this will help, but I was inspired by your situation to do a little artwork. I had no idea what " . . . they played but there was NO SOUND from my computer . . . " means. If they played, to me there should have been sound and the audio path should have shown a visual representation of the sound at several points along the chain.

This might help--scroll down to the section describing a recent Feature Overview on Workspaces.

I agree!! As chuckebaby said, they are very powerful! Also, another self-teaching exercise: Try creating a custom Workspace for a specific task. For example, I created Workspaces that work for me to enter note data by a usb keyboard and edit it mainly in the Staff view and Event List. I created another set of Workspaces for dropping in old audio tapes, listening to them, and marking them for later editing. We all have different preferences and workflows and it helps me to stay focused when I have just the GUI elements I need where I want them and with preferred sizes.

Also, as a self teaching exercise, try creating a minimal Workspace. I learned a lot by creating one I call "NO VIEWS." Very important lesson I learned this way: If something is excluded from a Workspace (and therefore, it is not to be found in the menu system), the related functions will also not be in the Workspace. This includes things like short-cuts. PS: This is why if I find a function not working, some of the first things I do are (1) look at the Workspace and (2) test by switching to other Workspaces. For me, this is an early step in diagnosing issues related to functionality.