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Looks like there was about two seconds or so that didn't fit this screen

"Tracks" dropdown shows this: No "Custom" or "All" , but everything in the pop up is checked. The "C" dropdown was set to NONE as you see. Setting to Channel 1: No sound Setting to Channel 10 : No Sound. On this playback, that is. The Roland is loud and clear thru the speakers when I smack something on it.

Oh, and no sound during recording either. Just sticks on mesh. (I won't have to unplug these audio ins to record, will I?) Can't I just mute something or other? Like that fellow who redid his video for me said?

All good info. Ok, so after doing that I get a signal to the MIDI track. It's clear there's a signal there. Arming and Recording produced a visible recording. No sound on playback. Put the stereo ins back into the interface for playback. No sound. Yes, to hearing the SSD5 over the speakers with mouse clicks. Sounds great by the way. Especially the snare, which is a thing I mess with constantly in the Roland.

Hey that other post I just put up was in response to Mettelus. I'm going thru this latest post of yours now. Seems I know about as much of thread-protocol as I do CbB.

I downloaded the free SSD5. After screwing up on where I put the files in my hard drive, I eventually got them so that SSDSampler5 shows up in CbB under INSTRUMENTS in a folder called DRUMS that it shares with SI-Drumkit. If I either drag SSDSampler5 over to the Tracks Pane, or optionally double-click SSDSampler5, I get a pop up I hit OK Two tracks appear in the Tracks Pane. The top one is an audio track. Although, earlier when I was inserting audio tracks from the dropdown and recording me as audio, the icon for those looked like a squiggly waveform. The second track is a MIDI track. Now, if I click the icons in EITHER of these tracks, I get the SSD5 graphic with the kit shown. In the free SSD5 version, there's three kits. I double click on that kit's title and I watch it load quickly with these counting-up percentage graphics that appear on every piece of the kit. At this point, when I hit any part of my Td-17, I see the corresponding piece on the SSD5 graphic highlight in response. But I hear the current kit from the TD-17. Regardless of which track I have highlighted in CbB, and regardless of which track's icon I click on, to show the SSD5 graphic and select a kit, this all goes the same way. So, OK. It looks like I need to maybe map this, so I can hear the SSD5 sounds... So I go to map on the SSD5 screen. A couple hundred hours ago, I made a preset here called MY TD17 but it's identical to the default preset cause I haven't been able to do anything from this point. My own kick shows up as triggering the C1 36 "Kick Center" slot on this screen. I hear the Roland's Kick. I hit the MIDI LEARN button for "Kick Center" and get a pop up that says "Hit MIDI Note" and a cancel button under it. I hit C1 36 "Kick Center" with the mouse. It plays that sound. The "Hit MIDI Note" pop up dissappears. I hit MY kick after selecting MIDI LEARN on C1 36 "Kick Center". The Roland's kick plays. The "Hit MIDI Note" pop up dissappears. Set as default, load a preset for a TD 30, save preset... nothing changes. I would have at least thought that using some alien preset would have at least let me hear the WRONG sounds on my kit, but only the kit currently selected in my module will play. I'm missing something critical. Is it how I have the ins and outs for these tracks set?

OK. Sorry. Under Instruments and Effects: "Beginner CbB and MIDI-user trying to get SSD5 sampler to play thru a TD-17 and failing."

As demanded; a new thread. "In Cakewalk's Preferences > MIDI > Devices, do you see your TD-17 listed as an Input and Output device, and does it have a check mark in it?" Yes, Check marked on both input and output. Under "Outputs", Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth, which I understand is some relevant aspect of my PCs soundcard, is NOT checked. Inserting a new MIDI track, arming for recording and recording a series of snare-hits produces a recording that plays that back. The track itself under "In/Out" shows "All Inputs" for Inputs and "1-TD-17" for the Output.

Johnny V, I hear you. But I can't do that. I really don't know what all I've done and haven't and couldn't describe it very well anyway. I will say this though, when it came to getting that download for the SSd5, things went south right away. It wasn't clear to me what to do with the files, and where ever location they extracted to, wasn't correct. There was a .dll that got put in some wrong location (and may still be) , and there was this "Library" of gigantic size that's here somewhere, but is probably invisible to CbB. I got that .dll into the "Synth Rack" eventually on above advice and am able to drag it over to the tracks pane and see the two tracks appear there. One is a MIDI, and one is....an instrument track? I can get the SS kit to appear and get sound out of it with a mouse. Then I spun my wheels for hours trying to get the Roland to play the thing.

I had to step away for a time to do things like eat, shave, feed a cat, etc. I hadn't done any of those things for days. I used to record audio tracks on CbB with my band remotely, and the drum room in the basement was filled with thunderous, joyful rock and roll that often shook the entire house. Since Saturday last though, there's been silence as this grim, rumpled madman sits chugging coffee and reading endlessly and viewing endlessly and muttering vile obscenities, all the while wondering why he's never paid any attention to MIDI technologies, and has only recorded live performances with an ancient Mackie four-track, instead of using a proper virtual studio. You all are Good Eggs. Truly. I will try my best to "un-stupid" myself going forward. "In Cakewalk's Preferences > MIDI > Devices, do you see your TD-17 listed as an Input and Output device, and does it have a check mark in it?" Yes, Check marked on both input and output. Under "Outputs", Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth, which I understand is some relevant aspect of my PCs soundcard, is NOT checked. Inserting a new MIDI track, arming for recording and recording a series of snare-hits produces a recording that plays that back. The track itself under "In/Out" shows "All Inputs" for Inputs and "1-TD-17" for the Output.

Right now I'm still trying to get my free Slate Kits to play when I hit the Roland Td17. Get the new virtual kit to sound thru my speakers/headphones. Sounds like the easiest thing in the world. I can only get my Roland sounds so far. I still don't even know if the inputs/outputs of the MIDI tracks are set properly. And Roland says "if you're using a VST to make sound, you should set (this is internal in the drum module) your LOCAL CONTROL to OFF. I do that, I get zero signal out, anywhere. 10 hours yesterday, 10 hours the day before, and I've been at this for 8 hours today. So far, no joy. If you guys who understand this stuff don't work as logicians for the National Security Council, you should. This is the most perplexing, convoluted stuff I have ever encountered in my life, and I'm a manufacturing maintenance co-ordinator who can diagnose anything, make anything and fix anything. I've never performed surgery, but I swear, in a pinch I could do a better job of it than I'm doing with this simple set-up to record MIDI drums. The TD17 module displays the MIDI assignments, for example: SNARE <HEAD> 38 (D2) and on down thru every trigger on the kit. I went and wrote them all down. I thought it would help me, to "map". The Slate Kit has a mapping function. Cakewalk has a Drum Map Manager. Do I need to set up one? Both? One before the other? I've read the stuff about Drum Mapping in the reference guide. It shows an "in note" -presumably my Roland's trigger, and an "out note", which is the destination. The destination in my case is the virtual sound from the Slate Kit? And do I even need to be concerned with Cakewalk's Drum Map Manager at this point? Can't answer that. I see the sounds and their addresses, but Slate's SNARE CENTER is at D1 38 The Roland's SNARE HEAD is set at D2 38. Should I care about this? On the Roland, I can change that address. Should I? The Slate video up there mentions mapping for a E Drums for precisely 1 second at the very last part of the video, and shows me nothing. The other vids these guys (generously) provided detailed stuff that's miles down the road for me, I've skipped some steps and prerequisites, that obvious, But I don't know what they are. I've watched a million hours of tutorials, but they're not showing me what I need right now. I just want to see that virtual kit's kick-drum beater move, when I smack mine on the Roland, and hear the virtual kit's kick instead of the Roland's. That's it. Right now, I'll settle for just the Kick.

Ok. I'm on it. Thank you guys. <wiping tears> Haven't touched a drumstick since 01:00 Saturday morning. ...

This is as far as I've gotten so far. I'm stalled again at this point.

OK, I'm sold. I just went to Steven Slate and got the free kit(s) and Library. Only, as is typical, I can't get Cakewalk to list the new plug in. It said something about choosing the path that your DAW liked. Having zero idea on how to find that out, I went with the path prompted. I mean, I know where the stuff is, but this supposedly should show up in the Cakewalk plug-ins listing and it ain't.

Anyway, the bottom line about my sounds is, I'm not married to them. I don't gig with this kit anyway. And sure, an EQ for live performances can sound like (and probably WILL) sound totally wrong in a studio recording. Greg described his way of recording his OWN drum sounds, from his module, yes? If a VST that I have to tweak (that's no big deal doing that by the way. That's fun) streamlines this individual tracking process, then sign me up for that. Is that the case?

It can't take any more time than I've spent so far. I've been having fun finding isolated vocals where I can and cutting them up to fit the count. That takes some time for sure. So far I've had Jim Morrison, Scott Weiland, John Fogarty, Benjamin Orr, Ronnie James Dio and Paul Stanley all sitting in with my band. The results are great, but it does take time. I'd love to see 'somewhere' a walk-through of this process you describe. I'm no worse than anyone else in getting it, once I see it done. I think I am worse at this point in understanding where to find the menus, and drop-downs that enable this. Like I said, I've just done simple audio tracks here. It's wonderful to know it can be done, that's for sure, but I still am floundering as to how to go about it. Knowing it CAN be done is a big help though.

Oh. OK. So "solo" the instruments means using the "Solo" button on the track? Wow. This all sounds fantastic. Really, truly. If only I knew how to do it...

You mean you just play the snare, or Tom 1, etc, in turn thru repeated replays until the track finishes? I could never do that with Rush's "Tom Sawyer". I don't have that ordered of a mind. I have no idea how you manage that. <hat's off> For me that would be impossible.

Hi Hook! Thank you for responding. I feel the weight dropping off a bit here and have some hope. (For the 1st time in a while) Making these recordings with my band is a very, very big deal to me. So, recording to individual tracks isn't doable. Got it. And I must use a VST plug in, because my Roland sounds no longer apply. Check. So I don't need to "un-tweak" any of my Roland sounds. I'm going to do all that with the VST, right? The Roland just records events, right? (Hey, I warned you in advance I'm out of my depth) I have no direct experience in my limited time in Cakewalk in assigning outputs. In other words, I don't yet know how to do the process you've described. I have seen Mike from Creative Sauce doing a bit of that. But he's creating and utilizing a drum map to get this done. Must I do that? Create a drum map? Is there anything I should know about getting and installing Steven Slate? ..and I've got a guy at Sweetwater trying to sell me EZ Drummer. Are the premium VSTs worth it? I understand they have more sounds. Quantizing...well I suppose I would do it as a last resort, but I don't know what circumstances there'd have to be. I'd have to be pretty far off the count, right? That's not drumming if that's going on. I'm happy to learn about it though.

I'm glad I found this thread. Perhaps you pros can help me. I'm Cakewalk-ignorant and desperate. I have a hundred hours of frustration in this so far and really was about to give up. Is there a character limit on these posts? This might take a while... Me: Long time rock drummer, currently trying to record (remotely) with my band. It was my idea to record with CW, about three months ago. None of us knew squat about the software. I'm using a Roland TD-17 (with two outputs) that is (very recently) USBd to the PC for the MIDI input as well as a Scarlett Solo that's taking both audio "outs" from the Roland, and of course a PC, to put my tracks down, and I just jumped in and figured I would learn by doing. And I did. We've gotten to the point with our recording process where we're seeing good tracks and fidelity and it's all very exciting. These are audio tracks. I've spent years tweaking and EQing my kits within the module, and they sound great. Cakewalk can make things sound better yet with it's EQ feature. I've a couple more freq-bands available in Cakewalk. But as you guys are aware, I have no mix-control over my individual snare, toms, rims, cymbals, and if I've got an otherwise great track recorded, but man...the damn hi-hat pedal is too loud throughout the entire thing, punching-in isn't feasible. I must go back, adjust levels or sensitivity at the module, redo the track and hope I got it right. (and I never get it right after the 1st redo so, on and on it goes) That's how I've been doing things for a few months. So... I thought MIDI recording would maybe allow me some control over all my triggers individually, but I am LOST without a compass. Even now, I don't even know if what I want to do here is POSSIBLE. All I want to do here is mix my kit while listening to the rest of the guitars, bass and vocals -like I had my old Slingerlands set up and was 10 channels into the snake at a live-gig soundcheck. Not at all interested in quantizing. Don't need it. Don't know ANYTHING about Cakewalk Buss assignments or track folders, as I've seen mentioned here. I just don't know enough about Cakewalk. (or, you know, sound-engineering in general) I don't know the nomenclature either. That's a big handicap. YouTube tutorials deal almost exclusively with "creating beats" with the SI kit in Cakewalk. It seems no one who's an actual drummer has contributed anything to these myriad tutorials. Things I BELIEVE I've learned so far... Could someone deny or confirm: I cannot "record" each trigger to their own seperate tracks. eg: Play the drumline for Hendrix's "Manic Depression" from start to finish and have individual tracks for snare, individual toms, and individual cymbals each record their respective strikes when I hit those pads. (I can't believe, with MIDI, that Events from specific triggers cannot be "assigned" to individual tracks, in advance, to record those events as they occur.) But if that's really true, that's not a deal-breaker as long as I can SOMEHOW assign adjustments and equalization to the individual toms, etc., after the fact. I know how to get E drums sounding like the end of the world thru Subs and Tops. Even a simple two-output module like mine, but it seems that's all I know. Also, it seems I cannot use those beautiful, carefully EQd kits in the Roland, and must use sounds I acquire elsewhere. Essentially I must start over with my overall sound. OK, if I have to do it that way, fine. At this rate, I won't live long enough to figure this stuff out on my own. I just want to break my kit up into tracks, and be able to record, then mix the kit's components, cut or raise a level here or there, maybe erase an accidental rim-shot, then get the project back up into Google Drive so the other guys and girls can take the next steps in recording their parts. That's it. Just like we've been doing with all Audio, for a while. Just... now the drummer is utilizing MIDI and can mix his drums like a grownup. I thought it would be simple. (smirk) Well, I didn't really think that, but I was ready to take it on. I didn't expect to get totally stymied without any resources to help me. I wasn't prepared for that. I'm just about to the point of losing sleep over this seemingly overwhelming issue. I don't even know what I DO know or DON'T know. But if this sort of thing is possible, and a no-brainer to you guys, my apologies in advance for probably rehashing an old, old issue and thread, but you all could save my life if you could steer me straight. Cause I don't know where to start. I'm not kidding. You could make my freaking year with some guidance. Very sincerely, -David