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Cheers Wolf. I'm not sure exactly how the legalities work with that stuff. All I know is, until I see you on the cover of Guitar World magazine taking credit for someone else's playing, I personally have no beef with you. 😁

I hear u Brian. My point was that ALL the best Warrant guitar solos(all of my faves) were played by the same guy who was not a member of the band. And the band was misleading about it. So I thought I was a Joey Allen fan but I was actually a Mike Slamer fan. Mike was Warrant's lead guitar ringer. He defined their lead guitar sound. Gilmour just brought in diff guest musicians but his playing skills were never in question. There's a reason he's many people's favorite guitarist, incl yours. I have nothing against guest musicians who bring in fresh ideas. Producers themselves usually offer fresh ideas and often contribute to songwriting and arranging. But a "ringer" is a whole diff animal in my book.

Yeah, I knew on Brick in the Wall they brought in a guy to give some rythm guitar ideas behind the solo. But the solo is all Gilmour. IMO, David proved he was a great guitarist before they even made the wall. Cheers

Yeah, that's fine by me. As long as he's not air guitaring to someone else's playing

I actually love this performance... Goodnight Mr Walters! ....Mmmm Hmmm

Oh, I forgot to respond to this part. I def respect your honesty. I dealt with addiction years ago myself. I don't judge anyone for past addiction esp when theyre honest about it. I also wanted to say something about integrity. I think we all have integrity in diff areas of our lives and we all can lie to ourselves in diff areas. Ive just always been someone with a very soft conscience. I feel guilty VERY easily. I actually sold cars for a few years and my sales managers used to get frustrated with me cause I had trouble lying to people. I esp hated making extra finance points on single moms and poor people, only to see rich people come in and pay only $200 over invoice. I HATED the injustice of it. But I'd be lying if I didn't say that I compromised my own principles on occasion. So I can't throw stones at others. We're ALL sinners in my book.

I agree, it is a fascinating subject. And yeah, I think Joey & Erik's shame was it's own punishment. I also have to add... The more of a fan u are of an artist that does that, the more u feel deceived & duped. Me & my best friend were big fans of "Joey's" guitar work. It's kind of like being attracted to a woman because she has a great butt and later marrying her only to find out that she had butt implants the whole time. 😂 I also think that you, a non fan, are able to be more philosophical about it because you were never emotionally invested in it (imagine finding out that Joe Pass or Wes Montgomery was a faker). For me & my buddy, 80's Hard Rock guitarists were like sports heros to us. And now we find out that Joey and Erik were on the juice bigtime. I dont believe Warrant ever won any awards but if they had, I think they should be stripped away ala Lance Armstrong. 😄

I had to come back to concede something to you Krupa. You worded it as "offered the choice". And I feel very certain where I would stand on that. But the truth is, I can't truly judge someone unless I know the whole situation. The more I think about it, I bet Joey & Erik were VERY sweet talked and probably guilt tripped too. They probably told them things like, "Mike will just play on a couple solos and it'll just be for this one album. And Mike will even give you guys lessons so pretty soon we wont even need him". And "You don't wanna hold back your friends do you?" Also I know how it is to be like brothers in a band. You dont wanna hold them back and you also don't wanna lose your best friends and the songs u wrote together. Btw, I just looked it up and Joey is from Indiana and Warrant was together for 3 1/2 years before getting signed. So I'm sure the band had become his new family. That really is a bi*ch of position to be put in. But I guess my main point is that there SHOULD be a price to be paid for misleading your fans like that. It SHOULD hurt your reputation. If not, the concept of integrity means nothing. If someone considers themself an artist, then artistic honesty should be greatly valued otherwise it's all just merchandising and BS. That's why the music business is what it is these days. Intellectual property & artistic integrity have become greatly undervalued. It seems like everyone is just trying to shortcut putting in the hard work. Plus, now the world has AI to write it's songs. That's a very sad thing to me.

No offense my friend but that sounds to me like ur telling on yourself a bit. Would YOU compromise your principles if the pot was sweet enough? My confidence on this comes from knowing myself well. I never valued fame or money that much. Esp not enough to mislead people into thinking someone else's artistic work is mine. I NEED to be able to look myself in the mirror and I deeply value integrity. (Whether u believe that or not is up to you) And you're right, back in the 80s, it wasn't like the beach boys, the byrds or steely dan(which wasnt even a real band for the most part). When it came to 80s guitar, someone who was very talented on their instrument was held in high regard. They were musical heros. Joey Allen knew that VERY well. That's why he cringed at the idea of using a ringer. I guarantee you he had trouble looking himself in the mirror over that back then. (And I bet it still makes him cringe a bit) Also, Mike Slamer wasn't a "guest' musician brought in for just a song or two. Bottom line, all the best & most impressive guitar work on both of Warrant's big abums are not done by either of Warrant's guitarist. I find that sad. You can disagree. And you're right, that doesn't take away from the music but it absolutely takes away from Joey & Erik's legacy. And btw, it's not just about Mike's technical "athleticism", Mike created very musical & beautiful solos. He was the REAL guitar hero. ( I will give Joey and Erik some points for taking lessons from Mike and trying to get better but it's still sad to me). I also disagree with u on the Milli Vanilli thing. They HAD to lie about who was singing because they didnt sing AT ALL on their album 😄. Nobody wouldve bought their album If they knew they were just good looking models who were lip syncing. Lastly, I have no problem with someone using studio tricks to make their recordings sound great. As long as they're not being misleading about using someone else's work and they can do their songs justice live, I'm great with it. Afterall, that's what most bands do. Btw, I still love u yeah Krupa. You're just a smarter business man than me. After all, my lofty pride & integrity aint exactly paying the bills 😂

I was recently watching this interview with Joey Allen, one of the two guitarist in Warrant. We didn't know it back in the '80s but they're producer brought in a ringer guitarist named Mike Slamer who played all the more difficult and better guitar solo parts. I'm amazed that the comments are 99% positive. Joey is a super nice guy but that's some Milli Vanilli sh*t in my book. I'd rather be broke & anonymous than rich & famous miming to someone else's talents and creativity. Oh, I feel a sneeze coming... AaaaaaPOSER!!! 😜

Dean Martin, You're Nobody Til Somebody Loves You

Cinderella, Nobody's Fool

Pink Floyd, Nobody Home

John Lennon, Nobody Told Me

David Lee Roth, I Ain't Got Nobody