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Sander, Thanks for that. Not sure how that works in tying the number to one computer. So long as it works I don't care.

A little lipstick never hurt a pig one bit. IMHHHHHHO pardon me should I not have said that? TBH I'm surprised he hasn't taken liberties with that pic you posted wearing a tie. I was waiting for it...hasn't happened yet.

I can't say. "I don't mind dying I just don't want to be there when it happens." - Woody Allen

With shoes or without?

Krupa apoligies on temporarily departing the subject. It's all Craig's fault. Oh great Craig, like we didn't have anything else to be concerned about OTOH I was looking for ways to airlift cargo around my back yard. True story....I ordered a pair of shoes online. I know. Bad idea but with COVID and all that's what I did. My wife sees this HUGE beetle on our steps not far from the shoe box. We did a search on this thing...it isn't from around here. Ended up in the septic system headed to the local pump house. Likely it came from that shoe box. Took a ride from out west. I could have put a saddle on that thing. These have been seen too...no it isn't photoshopped. No don't try snopes. The guy is a not legit. Don't believe me? Check out snopes. The mantis wasp.....

True that.... "if" I were to have a serial number in use. How would I disassociate it for use in another build? Obviously Microsoft is going to flag it. My intention isn't to do anything dishonest. I would hope I get the " Are you transferring this SN to another computer?" Instead of " This SN is already in use" and then a brick wall.

I always used the Win 10 OEM versions on my new builds. Never had any issues concerning DAW work. The OEM was usually less expensive and I figured all I needed was a basic version to run the DAW. A few of my other computers were win 7. One older laptop I almost never boot up and an older DAW build that wasn't being used. I managed to use the win7>win10 free upgrade for those older computers. A link that was supposed to have been dead two years ago still worked. Old hardware, new software. I don't intend to update those two computers any more. The most recent two are Win 10 Home. One a laptop the OS came factory installed. The other a build I installed the OEM OS myself. I almost passed on this again but then I started thinking that a few things had changed. I might want to work on my DAW remotely. Also Win 10 Pro seems to allow a few more audio tweaks. Mainly though I began to consider the ability using the Pro version to keep a serial # for life. That could potentially save a lot of money in the future.......so I bought 3 licenses. One for each existing Win 10 home setup and one more for a future build. Thanks Robert!! I am guessing I can use the SN I get to update the home versions to pro in both computers. I really don't want to start from scratch with either of those. The other SN I planned to simply hang onto for the next time I need it. I had a few questions I couldn't answer. Can I make one ISO ( from Microsoft) on my usb thumbdrive for all clean installs? I'm guessing I can update the others online? If I work in my DAW remotely I guessed I would obviously be limited to the sound card in my controlling machine? When my two pro installs eventually die I'm not sure how to transfer the SN to a new computer? If I don't have the numbers on file apart from the computer I might not have access to them if the computer dies. Would I go to Microsoft to make a transfer? Maybe they associate the number with different hardware at that point?

Computer issues remote for $$ yes. Only if I trusted them. Something's not right..........I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

Just having some fun with it Krupa. In all seriousness if that's possible in the CH this is an interesting subject and I'm glad you brought it up again. Things have changed since those last threads on the subject. I believe more DAW makers have added some 'secret sauce' to their mixing busses. ...busses? is that a real word? I dunno.

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I liked it for some jazz experiments thus far. I am primarily a keyboardist although I have a bunch of guitars, a bouzouki and too many other things to mention right now. I have liked the process of playing around to find ideas. Scaler is a great way to get ideas for sure. I don't mean t shoot it down . I might use it more later on. So far it seems a wonderful ideas plugin. I can tell lots of work went into it. I think it's very educational...a great way to learn in looking at the scale types, modes, etc. Many musicians get stuck into only one or two systems. I tend to get caught in D because so much of the music I play is in D, G and A. I think I still prefer to "play around" with what's in my head even though it probably isn't much. I have really only played with it a few times. It feels like someone else is doing all the heavy lifting for me lol. I feel "spoilt" with it

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Good points. I seldom use my debit card. This is for different reasons though. I have been coerced into using a Disney credit card that gives discounts to see Mickey Mouse. Yeah I know. A shame I can't apply points to plugin boutique. You use Google? Google knows all

You probably heard about the new MIDI 2.0 spec.? Maybe I mistakenly thought the spec worked pretty well up until now. MIDI.org has been making changes along the way . The spec allowed for some manufacturers to get creative with it. Both Yamaha and Roland adopted some factory specific commands back in the day. I think I like that MIDI.org are in charge of it because it establishes a standard. Lots have cried that it was behind the times. I don't think it really is when you consider all of the possibilities that have been adopted since using it. Most people who use it never use it to the full potential. I mostly use it when playing sample libraries. This is exactly the kind of thing I believe would be helpful to the plugin industry. Call it PLUGIN.org or whatever. If we had one wrapper that would play both older and more recent versions of plugins in the same wrapper lots of people would be happy. Or maybe just several wrappers that all work in any DAW. Not sure how MIDI.org gets their funding. Maybe a token contribution from members keeps them going? Another benefit is all members could have input into the process. On the different specs for plugin wrappers. Just proprietary stuff I guess. Makes more work for the developers .

Good idea as well. I have done this. It reduces the chances . Doesn't hurt to change them periodically, especially if you just used the card in a situation where there was a possibility it could have been compromised., such as travel. I had one of my cards hacked. It probably wasn't done online. Before COVID we were staying in a distant motel. They always get your CC info. We think it happened then. New card issued. No worries. They were clever ( so they thought) by trying to get a 3.00 item to see if it would go through. Then they went to a 300.00 item. We had made the phone call before they were able to get the larger amount.

In talking about practical use, I remember when I looked at lots of electronics specs and realized how they tested all of it. "Lab testing" and real use differ greatly. Probably much the same or similar for recording software...I guess.

I think it's the path of least resistance and not necessarily that an alternate solution that couldn't be reached. abacab, you are correct. I took the discussion to a broader application than Cakewalk. Hence why I said I think people could be "thinking outside the box". It is often this closed mentality thinking and " this is the way we've always done it" that impedes progress. JMHO....oh yes I am opinionated. lol! This isn't politics or religion so I see nothing wrong with having thoughts on it. I really wish I had the know how to do it. I would take a crack at it. I don't think getting multiple DAW software makers to sign on would be so difficult. It isn't actually a plugin, it's a plugin interface. The real brains seem to come in making the actual plugins. Mr. Steinberg was a visionary who made VST 1.0 and handed the dev to someone else. These things always start small. I mean, you can't start big.

I bought it mainly out of curiosity...though if things get to the point that I can't make a melody on my own I probably shouldn't be doing this even as a hobby. I loaded it up last week in Cakewalk and several other DAWs. No issues there. It makes a great way to recognize or remember music theory, even for those trained in it. Not sure if I'll ever actually use anything from it in any of my music. I could see using it to see quickly what different combinations sound like together.

I made a call to them awhile back to settle some issues with an order I had placed. I had the rather distinct impression they were a brick and mortar doing this on the side. Am I correct? I managed a cloud server for awhile. It's amazing how many security threats a small time operation has on a daily basis. If it had been a building there would have been arsonists there daily trying to burn the building down. I can imagine a larger operation that has people's credit information would be 100 times worse. I don't think many people realize the threats on the web that are there. Older servers and systems are likely targets more so than those using the latest encryption programs. Older systems obviously have more issues. IOW you are asking for trouble if you don't keep things updated. Even though they have said there was no security breach I would STILL change my info just in case. There's plenty of competition out there for music plugins and software. I like JRR, but I don't necessarily have any tight connections with them in any way....When I buy I buy where the deals are. I hope they can get their ducks in a row soon.

That's a great price considering how far they had to go to get those.

Thanks abacab. I'm just not quite sure what the love is for Steinberg designed software over other potential alternatives? One man is responsible for both ASIO and VST development. While I think plugin makers need a standard, I don't quite understand why everyone adopted Steinberg software into their DAWs? Yes it is free. Is that the only reason? Is it really that no one else wanted to attempt it? Because it was easier to take a free tool that works? I think if it were a non profit entity that oversees it I would feel more comfortable about it. The bottom line for many is simply the inconvenience of planned obsolescence. Eventually VST 2 will become obsolete since VST 3 is built on another system. I would like to see a more backwards compatible system where one shell can house several different designs and not be phased out . Software has been based on upgrade paths for profitablity and not because it could not have been more backwards compatible. Plugin designers are not making money if they have to redesign their plugins every 5 years because the wrapper was changed. I like to see improvements as an option. Am I overly opinionated? Probably....but I know what I want and I suspect many others aren't happy with the eventual end of VST2. Look at 26:20 on this video. Before that he says GPL ok for a "university". Sounds like the rest need to get a license.

UPDATE- You edited your reply that answered my question

This might be a good time for all DAW makers to unify over a new standard and tell Steinberg to take a hike. We did it with midi and vsti instrument shells why can't we do it with plugins? Develop a free easily ported standard that all plug in makers can adopt and stop paying licensing fees to Steinberg. There really is no reason why this couldn't be done. I mean, The plugins in the Pro Channel inside of Cakewalk are nothing but re written vsts. This was done 10 years ago? Think outside of the box. Go bigger. All you need for this to happen is- A. A new standard that doesn't infringe on vst3 copyright. B. Widespread adoption by DAW and plugin writers. I'm not a programmer or I would be tempted to give it a shot. Someone needs to roll the ball here. You could start out with a bunch of free plugins in the new standard to get people interested/started.

The reason this subject is such a tail chaser is because it is both a yes and no answer....all depending. All things being equal means all things ARE equal. "If" all things were always equal we wouldn't be having this discussion. The question has been shot down here repeatedly whenever it comes up as really inconsequential due to the similarity of audio engines in DAWS and the way they work. People who suggest otherwise are often seen as lacking some important fact by those who accept the status quo answer. I was one of those guys who was convinced there was no real difference and that any acceptance of a difference was always due to a placebo effect. "If" everything was always equal I would still think I was correct, however DAWs are not ever the same. We don't have just one generic DAW sound from all DAWs. Perceptions vary and maybe only subjective generalizations apply. I haven't ever heard out of your ears so I don't know what you hear. Even small differences mean not everything is the same. DAW makers tread a fine line here because most people want to take full responsibility for the sound they sculpt in their DAW. Any DAW maker admitting a difference, either intentional or unintentional could drive those away unless it has a perceived complimentary quality the user likes. In many cases the differences are seen as so munuscle as to not be worth mentioning. In most cases I would agree with that statement only because you can take that "sound" whatever it is and change it. Often the WAY we use DAWs changes the sound for us as well. We are getting a different sound because we are working in different ways with a slightly different interface. It would be nigh impossible to trade GUIs to test the placebo effect unless you never did anything in the DAW. Lately my answer has been YES they do sound different "if" you take into account additions besides simply the audio engine. I think Cakewalk has a more overt up front sound. Not harsh, but not soft either...leaning towards detail . Don't forget the Pro Channel adds something to the sound in it. By contrast I hear Studio One as being slightly softer. Not that you can't make it sound identical to Cakewalk with a few tweaks and plugins. Mixes I make in it usually don't need as much top end rolled off. Mixcraft was a very "in your face" DAW. Like many DAWs all channels are initially at 0db but for some reason it came off as hotter than most to me. I would say almost harsh. The new Mixcraft Pro 9 seems a little better. Ableton seems closer to Studio One. My theory is they lit some of the mixing buss up with something to "smooth" things out in that same way as Studio One. A secret sauce of some kind. Something buried in the code. Nothing in any of them is overt enough to make me not use it because the differences are so small you could easily overcome them with a few tweaks. I do tend to generally mix more "up front' when using Cakewalk. I can't say why. One reason might be the ProChannel is adding some minimal effect even when empty.