cclarry 32,057 Posted July 16, 2022 Microsoft Reportedly Changes OS Release Schedule https://www.pcmag.com/news/windows-12-in-2024-microsoft-reportedly-changes-os-release-schedule Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RSMcGuitar 1,299 Posted July 16, 2022 Just fix the start menu they broke. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bapu 6,744 Posted July 16, 2022 make no matter to @paulo who is (prolly) still on XP 🙂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacques Boileau 1,310 Posted July 16, 2022 ... and to anyone that has an older PC that can't even upgrade to 11, let alone 12! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarcL 808 Posted July 16, 2022 Since almost the start of W10 I haven't seen any changes that were real show-stoppers for a DAW. Thus I don't expect neither W11 nor W12 are really worth for us musicians. 😄 On my laptop (that is online) I would prefer some of the first W10 versions (instead of the almost current one that was forced by MS), because the performance has decreased considerably! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSteven 3,143 Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, RSMcGuitar said: Just fix the start menu they broke. It took a little while to get use to it but at this point I actually prefer the Win 11 version. They fixed the search function so when you search for something it searches for apps first, web options 2nd. Something I always considered badly broken in W10. You can still search through the program menus by clicking on the "All apps >" button at the top right. In regards with the right click menu not fully expanding - you can get the Win10 functionality by: Open an elevated CMD window. Copy the following command below and paste it in and then press Enter. reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve Log out of your account and log back in, you’ll find that the old right-click context menu is back, which displays the full list of options directly. Edited July 16, 2022 by TheSteven 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RSMcGuitar 1,299 Posted July 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, TheSteven said: It took a little while to get use to it but at this point I actually prefer the Win 11 version. They fixed the search function so when you search for something it searches for apps first, web options 2nd. Something I always considered badly broken in W10. You can still search through the program menus by clicking on the "All apps >" button at the top right. In Windows 10, I had all my programs organized in groups on the main start screen page. Now there is no organization and it looks like an iPhone. All my standalone synths were well organized, now I have to dig in the all apps menu for them. Using search works, but in my mind takes away the benefit of a visual organization scheme. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cclarry 32,057 Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, RSMcGuitar said: In Windows 10, I had all my programs organized in groups on the main start screen page. Now there is no organization and it looks like an iPhone. All my standalone synths were well organized, now I have to dig in the all apps menu for them. Using search works, but in my mind takes away the benefit of a visual organization scheme. I agree! I had a group for "Installers/Downloaders", and a group for DAW's, a Group for VI's, a Group for Utilities, etc... Now it's just one big mess of 6 pages that I have to navigate through to find what I'm after. VERY BAD! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olong Johnson 169 Posted July 16, 2022 Windows 10 users can use Classic Shell. I don't think it's being developed any more but it still works great. Set the Start Menu style to "Classic with two columns" to mimic the old Windows XP flyout menu style. Windows 11 users can use StartAllBack which offers similar functionality. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cclarry 32,057 Posted July 16, 2022 This method is free...https://www.alphr.com/classic-start-menu-windows-11/ I don't want the old menu either. I want the new Start Menu, but with the ability to arrange it like the old one, but hey, ya can't have everything! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promidi 1,060 Posted July 16, 2022 4 hours ago, RSMcGuitar said: Just fix the start menu they broke. Just use Open Shell https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSteven 3,143 Posted July 16, 2022 4 hours ago, RSMcGuitar said: In Windows 10, I had all my programs organized in groups on the main start screen page. Now there is no organization and it looks like an iPhone. All my standalone synths were well organized, now I have to dig in the all apps menu for them. Using search works, but in my mind takes away the benefit of a visual organization scheme. I've always used desktop folders and/or Fences to do that. Supposedly you can export Win 10 start menu groups into Win 11https://www.thewindowsclub.com/import-export-fix-start-menu-layout-windows-10 but I haven't tried it. I do miss the Windows 10 toolbars. There are free apps in the store that people say can replace this functionality but haven't yet checked them out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abacab 8,029 Posted July 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Jacques Boileau said: ... and to anyone that has an older PC that can't even upgrade to 11, let alone 12! The general advice is usually to just buy a new PC with the desired OS pre-installed. Or build your own, DIY... Alternatively, you can keep your old system running for as long as you are able to. But eventually you will be limited to applications that only run on the older platform. It is what it is!!! Progress!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul P 132 Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 7:11 PM, abacab said: But eventually you will be limited to applications that only run on the older platform. It is what it is!!! Progress!!! My favourite drawing package, that I still use regularly, is/was Micrografx Designer (and the rest of the Suite, including a 3d modeller). I purchased it sometime before 1991. I still haven't found a replacement that does as much, is as easy use, and is affordable. I used it in XP Mode under Windows 7 and then, when I just this year moved to Windows 10, thought I'd lost it forever. I actually went about setting up a nested virtual machine to run XP Mode inside Windows 7 inside VMware but at one point discovered that my problem was only the fact that Designer was 32 bit. Installing my Windows 7 as 32 bit in VMware solved everything and I can continue to use my beloved drawing software for more years to come. So old software doesn't have to die, if you're lucky... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abacab 8,029 Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Paul P said: My favourite drawing package, that I still use regularly, is/was Micrografx Designer (and the rest of the Suite, including a 3d modeller). I purchased it sometime before 1991. I still haven't found a replacement that does as much, is as easy use, and is affordable. I used it in XP Mode under Windows 7 and then, when I just this year moved to Windows 10, thought I'd lost it forever. I actually went about setting up a nested virtual machine to run XP Mode inside Windows 7 inside VMware but at one point discovered that my problem was only the fact that Designer was 32 bit. Installing my Windows 7 as 32 bit in VMware solved everything and I can continue to use my beloved drawing software for more years to come. So old software doesn't have to die, if you're lucky... I did a similar workaround! No XP mode inside Windows 7 for me. I installed a full copy of Windows XP Home (32-bit) in a VM (I use Oracle VirtualBox). I have an old copy of Adobe Photoshop 6 bought over 20 years ago (2000?), which worked fine on Windows 98 & Windows XP, but didn't make the trip to later Windows versions. Installed Photoshop 6 in the XP virtual machine, and it works fine there! VirtualBox allows for shared clipboard, folders, and a seamless GUI between host and VM guest, so it's almost like running Photoshop on the host desktop! Running Windows 10 64-bit here. So yep, if you are geeky enough, some old software doesn't have to die! But I'm afraid that doesn't always apply to DAWs for music production, unless you are just doing basic tasks that don't require real-time audio. Just out of curiosity, I installed Sonar 6 and Sonar 8.5 (32-bit) in the XP VM, and they will play back audio projects. But using virtual instruments in them is not practical. The latency in a generic virtual machine audio device throws a curve ball into real-time audio. No ASIO. Besides, all of my audio toys that I use today work fine on Windows 10 64-bit. Edited July 18, 2022 by abacab 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olong Johnson 169 Posted July 18, 2022 VMware rocks. It still seems magical that I can fire up any OS I want on my Windows 10 desktop. 🤩 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 373 Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) I just installed Windows 7 (32 bit) last week to make an old piece of hardware gear work. Really takes me back 🙂 Edited July 18, 2022 by Barrie 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Esteban Villanova 526 Posted July 18, 2022 I expect W12 to be a government mandated OS for our brains forcefully inserted through our rectums. Fun times ahead! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RSMcGuitar 1,299 Posted July 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Esteban Villanova said: I expect W12 to be a government mandated OS for our brains forcefully inserted through our rectums. Fun times ahead! As long as they're buying the drinks. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
