locrian 688 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, shawker said: u-he is working on this as an alternative to VST/VST3, CLAP is an open source plug-in format originally designed by Alexandre Bique a few years ago that we currently help to bring forward, along with friends at Bitwig and a whole bunch of other developers from both host and plug-in side. https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=574861 Okay, but please do not refer to this plug-in format as "the clap" as in: "did you get the clap yet?" Just saying... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tim Smith 473 Posted January 20 CLAP sounds interesting. Maybe it will eventually branch out into more plugins. DAWs will also need to be set up for it. I have developed more of a passive approach. If I can update it inexpensively I do. If I can't I let it go. Pretty simple for me. I wonder if those using PT and Logic have any similar issue since all of their plugins are in a different format? I did notice quite a difference in how many plugins scan Cubase compared to Cakewalk and wondered why. As it turns out all of the plugins I needed for the mix were there so I never gave it a second thought at the time. I suspect that's the way I'll keep rolling. If my best bread and butter plugs are there, my " I give a durned"switch is off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Sorrels 1,663 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Zo said: This might xplain why vertigo vsc 3 isnt vst 2 while vse 2 is ... is it on a per plugins basis or brand and all its release ? It's a company/unit license so if they had one for version 2 of their plugin, they should be covered for version 3, etc. I would also think a company could hire/subcontract a company with a license to subcontract the publishing, maybe. But that kind of legal jumping is way over my pay grade. Not clear if you can pass the license on (if a company is bought/etc). Would have to read the fine print. The license was free though (which is how free plugins can be made) but since it is not open source you can't really do "true" open source VST plugins or even mix GPL code with VST code. I'm sure I've seen a few open source apps that didn't support VST because of the license mess. And there is a lot of gray area stuff, that may or may not live up to the license. You end up with things like "This is open source, except for this small part of it, which is licensed differently." No clue if that kind of thing is really legal. You see this kind of legal gymnastics in Wordpress plugins too. And of course they no longer make the SDK and development files available anymore and there is no support. Which just makes things harder. They really are trying pretty hard to kill VST2. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackson white 223 Posted January 20 the recent aquisitions by "investment" companies and the propensity for legal extortion is another shadow on the wall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarine 321 Posted January 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matthew Sorrels said: The license was free though (which is how free plugins can be made) but since it is not open source you can't really do "true" open source VST plugins or even mix GPL code with VST code. Well, there's this: Quote This Software Development Kit is licensed under the terms of the Steinberg VST3 License, or alternatively under the terms of the General Public License (GPL) Version 3.You may use the Software Development Kit according to either of these licenses as it is most appropriate for your project on a case-by-case basis (commercial or not). There are proprietary and open source VST3 licensing options. Even the VST3 SDK is open under GPLv3. https://developer.steinberg.help/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=9797944 I must confess that I for one don't understand the VST licensing. What are you actually being licensed to do? Creating modules that use the API? Using the SDK? Using the VST logo (mandatory)? If I create a module that uses the API without using the SDK (never having agreed to its terms), leaving out the logo which I'm not licensed to use, am I infringing their IP rights, and if so, how would their attorney explain it in court? Edited January 20 by sarine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abacab 5,369 Posted January 20 30 minutes ago, sarine said: Well, there's this: There are proprietary and open source VST3 licensing options. Even the VST3 SDK is open under GPLv3. https://developer.steinberg.help/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=9797944 I must confess that I for one don't understand the VST licensing. What are you actually being licensed to do? Creating modules that use the API? Using the SDK? Using the VST logo (mandatory)? If I create a module that uses the API without using the SDK (never having agreed to its terms), leaving out the logo which I'm not licensed to use, am I infringing their IP rights, and if so, how would their attorney explain it in court? You are quoting the VST3 licensing options here. I believe Matt was referring to the now deprecated VST2 licensing terms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Rintoul 1,421 Posted January 20 4 hours ago, locrian said: Okay, but please do not refer to this plug-in format as "the clap" as in: "did you get the clap yet?" Just saying... Ahhh, you took all the fun out of it. Party pooper. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antler 1,291 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, sarine said: Even the VST3 SDK is open under GPLv3 GPL3 is very copyleft. If you choose to license as GPL, your derived product must also be licensed as GPL. You can still sell it (I think...), but you have to make the source 'available'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
satyabrata satapathy 200 Posted January 21 IS THIS ALSO THE END OF 32 BIT PLUGINS 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simon 2,453 Posted January 21 3 hours ago, satyabrata satapathy said: IS THIS ALSO THE END OF 32 BIT PLUGINS Yes/maybe/no.........You need to be more specific ! Did you read the original announcement ? Are you planning to use - cubase ? - nuendo ? - wavelab ? in the future ? Do you have any VST2 only plugins ? (WHY ARE YOU TYPING IN CAPITALS?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abacab 5,369 Posted January 21 10 hours ago, satyabrata satapathy said: IS THIS ALSO THE END OF 32 BIT PLUGINS MOST DAWS HAVE MOVED ON TO 64-BIT OS VERSIONS AND 64-BIT PLUGINS, AND REQUIRE THE USE OF BRIDGING TECHNOLOGY TO SUPPORT 32-BIT PLUGINS. SO 32-BIT PLUGINS HAVE EFFECTIVELY ALREADY BEEN ENDED. BUT OLD PLUGINS WILL NOT SUDDENLY STOP WORKING IF YOU STILL HAVE THE MEANS TO HOST THEM. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane_B. 703 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, abacab said: MOST DAWS HAVE MOVED ON TO 64-BIT OS VERSIONS AND 64-BIT PLUGINS, AND REQUIRE THE USE OF BRIDGING TECHNOLOGY TO SUPPORT 32-BIT PLUGINS. SO 32-BIT PLUGINS HAVE EFFECTIVELY ALREADY BEEN ENDED. BUT OLD PLUGINS WILL NOT SUDDENLY STOP WORKING IF YOU STILL HAVE THE MEANS TO HOST THEM. One of my old bosses used to type in all caps. From the day he hired me I thought he was mad at me. It made a horrible working environment. Finally one day I asked him what I did wrong to make him so mad. He had no idea what I was talking about. I pointed out how he was always typing in caps when he would send me a message or email. He laughed and said he had no idea that typing in caps meant you were yelling at someone and that he had to have caps lock on for the antiquated DOS based dispatching software the owner forced them to use and he just left it on by force of habit when sending emails or messaging us through the dispatch system. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bapu 4,839 Posted January 21 IMMA NOT MAD AT YOU SHANE. I JUST WHISPER IN ALL CAPS. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
satyabrata satapathy 200 Posted January 22 14 hours ago, Shane_B. said: One of my old bosses used to type in all caps. From the day he hired me I thought he was mad at me. It made a horrible working environment. Finally one day I asked him what I did wrong to make him so mad. He had no idea what I was talking about. I pointed out how he was always typing in caps when he would send me a message or email. He laughed and said he had no idea that typing in caps meant you were yelling at someone and that he had to have caps lock on for the antiquated DOS based dispatching software the owner forced them to use and he just left it on by force of habit when sending emails or messaging us through the dispatch system. I SHOULD CHANGE MY NAME TO CAP MAN😅. I M JUST TOO LAZY TO CHANGE FROM SMALL TO CAPS N EITHER. I M TOO THE BOSS OF MY CONSULTANCY FIRM LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Wichrowski 210 Posted January 22 On 1/21/2022 at 2:12 AM, satyabrata satapathy said: IS THIS ALSO THE END OF 32 BIT PLUGINS 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philip G Hunt 475 Posted January 22 On 1/20/2022 at 6:37 PM, shawker said: u-he is working on this as an alternative to VST/VST3, CLAP is an open source plug-in format originally designed by Alexandre Bique a few years ago that we currently help to bring forward, along with friends at Bitwig and a whole bunch of other developers from both host and plug-in side. https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=574861 Am I the only one here thinking the inevitable joke? Does anyone on this forum have CLAP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abacab 5,369 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Philip G Hunt said: Am I the only one here thinking the inevitable joke? Does anyone on this forum have CLAP? Nope. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulo 3,510 Posted January 22 On 1/21/2022 at 4:56 PM, Shane_B. said: He laughed and said he had no idea that typing in caps meant you were yelling at someone It is pretty ridiculous. I think it was early 90's when I first heard of the concept that big letters = shouting - someone I know had actually gotten disciplinary warning from work management for "shouting" at an American colleague in an email and in truth the idea doesn't sound any less daft to me today than it did then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starship Krupa 3,115 Posted January 23 22 hours ago, Philip G Hunt said: Does anyone on this forum have CLAP? No, but I've had the Audacity to check out the LADSPA. 😄 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
husker 972 Posted January 23 On 1/22/2022 at 2:26 AM, satyabrata satapathy said: 😅I M JUST TOO LAZY TO CHANGE FROM SMALL TO CAPS N EITHER. Is that an excuse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
