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I am trying to play a song that has only (MI) or (E) between natural and  E♭ 
how is it possible to do it. i was trying to understand but i really need someone to explain from scratch.
thank you so much

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No,pitch bend is the tiny change in tuning that you get when you bend the pressure of your fingers on a fretboard. Like vibrato. Or when you use the "tremelo" arm on a guitar. Or move the slide slightly on a steel guitar.

It is a lot of hard work in MIDI, certainly at first. Found two articles about it. Here and here.

Not trivial.

 

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so there is no way to adjust the scale and let it play?
i type the music score first in a notation program and save it as midi then add it to cakewalk. the notation program i adjust my scale and it plays.
there is no way at all? 

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I know what pitch bend is - I've been sequencing MIDI for 30 years and use pitch bend every day.   Of course, if playing a chord, pitch bend would change the entire chord.

Some synths support poly aftertouch and if applied to pitch, could achieve microtuning - I know Z3ta2 supports this

If the OP wants Microtone (If I under stand what the OP actually means) then it would depend on the synth whether it supports microtuning files...   Some synths support microtuning by the loading of *.SCI files

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lets say you wrote a piece of music in a sheet music and you want to play it with a better instrument sound in cakewalk.
u added it and then the quarter tone scale u wrote is not playing in cakewalk.
in this case what would you do exactly.
in the music notation software i write the scale and it plays it as desired but the instruments have no good sound!

now please walk in my shoe as a totally beginner and tell me what steps i need in order to play this E three quart tone 

i really appreciate your answer but i dont understand the steps

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39 minutes ago, Promidi said:

I know what pitch bend is - I've been sequencing MIDI for 30 years and use pitch bend every day.   Of course, if playing a chord, pitch bend would change the entire chord.

Some synths support poly aftertouch and if applied to pitch, could achieve microtuning - I know Z3ta2 supports this

If the OP wants Microtone (If I under stand what the OP actually means) then it would depend on the synth whether it supports microtuning files...   Some synths support microtuning by the loading of *.SCI files

The explanation of pitchbend was for the OP, he seemed to think it is a VST or FX that you must buy.

And I agree with you about what the OP wants, that is why I posted 2 links to articles about Scala.

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i apologize for my ignorance i dont understand what op is and google just shows a none sense result!
i am trying to understand the links u sent me but its like a great ocean i dont know where to start just a simple explain is appriciated

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23 minutes ago, kyrillos said:

lets say you wrote a piece of music in a sheet music and you want to play it with a better instrument sound in cakewalk.
u added it and then the quarter tone scale u wrote is not playing in cakewalk.
in this case what would you do exactly.
in the music notation software i write the scale and it plays it as desired but the instruments have no good sound!

now please walk in my shoe as a totally beginner and tell me what steps i need in order to play this E three quart tone 

i really appreciate your answer but i dont understand the steps

OP is the Original Poster. In this case, you. 😀

I can't help you with using Scala. I can only tell you how to use it in Cakewalk.

In a nutshell, you use Scala to create the same scale system you used in your notation program.
You export the scale as an .sci file.
In Cakewalk you use a synth that supports Scala. There is a list of synths in the second link.
You export MIDI from notation app, import into Cakewalk.
Play the MIDI file.

Maybe the notation software can export .sci files? Have a look. Ask on the forum for that software about Scala. Maybe someone there can help you better.

 

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Helllo Again
i think i didnt explain what i need exactly .
what i need from cakewalk is the orchestral sound which i use vst plugins for 
the supported synthesizers dose not have the sound i need.
to make it easy for me. i just want to know 
i am working with BBC orchestra plug ins can i make it play oriental scales via cakewalk?
thats what i want to know

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4 hours ago, kyrillos said:

I am trying to play a song that has only (MI) or (E) between natural and  E♭ 
how is it possible to do it. i was trying to understand but i really need someone to explain from scratch.
thank you so much

After reading the discussion, I went back to the original post and saw that it contained no information that I could see about the instrument and what Cakewalk recording/playback methods being used.  Readers offering help are forced to make assumptions in trying to answer the question For example:

  • Is this about playing/recording an acoustic guitar?
  • Is this about notating microtones in the staff view or PRV?
  • Does it involve using midi with a bona fide* synthesizer or sound module [*which some people call it "external"]?
  • Does it involve using midi with a virtual/software** synthesizer [**which some people call a "synth]?

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OK--as I was finishing this up, this came in:

19 minutes ago, kyrillos said:

Helllo Again
i think i didnt explain what i need exactly .
what i need from cakewalk is the orchestral sound which i use vst plugins for 
the supported synthesizers dose not have the sound i need.
to make it easy for me. i just want to know 
i am working with BBC orchestra plug ins can i make it play oriental scales via cakewalk?
thats what i want to know

Thank you for clarifying.

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A few years ago, I played around with a program called Scala.  That might help you.  Some software syths (e.g., VSTi's) actually have the ability to use *.scl files. Just an FYI, Scala has the ability to export tuning tables for hardware.  For example, I was able to create tuning tables to load into a Proteus 2500.

Edited by User 905133
(2) to fix typo (*.sci to *.scl); (1) to add a link to Scala

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15 minutes ago, kyrillos said:


i am working with BBC orchestra plug ins can i make it play oriental scales via cakewalk?
thats what i want to know

Oriental scales are not microtonal. Not the ones that I see.

Just import the MIDI files and the synth will play the notes that are written.

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i already exported the scales i need from scala but i cant put it to cakewalk unless its supported synthesizer.
the vst plugins i am using work with spitfire audio 
i mean while i am googling i saw some daws u can just transpose E to -50 no matter what plugins ur using  

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4 minutes ago, Nigel Mackay said:

Oriental scales are not microtonal. Not the ones that I see.

Just import the MIDI files and the synth will play the notes that are written.

Orintal scales has many quarter tone and midi file cannot recognize it 

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Thanks for the additional clarifications.  Correct me if I am wrong, you are playing scales/tunings that have more than 12 divisions for each octave and you want the easiest way to encode midi notes + pitch bend information so that your softsynth of choice will consistently play those notes in Cakewalk (or another DAW).

OR, are you saying you just need the pitch of one note altered in a tuning system that has 12 divisions/octave?

 

 

 

Edited by User 905133
to add an alternative to what I originally posted here; to fix semantic error

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2 minutes ago, User 905133 said:

Thanks for the additional clarifications.  Correct me if I am wrong, you are playing scales/tunings that have more than 12 divisions for each octave and you want the easiest way to encode midi notes + pitch bend information so that your softsynth of choice will consistently play those notes in Cakewalk (or another DAW) .

 

Yes exactly. just play E quarter tone less than the normal E.
the music has all E's in three quart.
how can i get E transposed to E minus quart

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listen to this music close enough to what i want to hear from cake walk.
it just has B flat and B min quart in lower octaves.
arabic stuff but the idea is the same of changing the scale 
 

 

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I will defer to others who know more about this.  I just noticed the original problem was not clear and was curious.  

With my limited level of knowledge, if I were doing something like this, I would (1) see if it can be done with my synth of choice; if not, (2) look for a different synth that has the ability to use *.scl files; (3) look for plug-in that would do this. 

I don't know about tons of plug-ins, so I don't know if there is a plugin where you can set up a note-by-note transposition table.  Maybe someone else knows.

If it can be done somehow using a MIDI FX plug-in, maybe someone can explain how to do it.

 

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26 minutes ago, kyrillos said:

Yes exactly. just play E quarter tone less than the normal E.
the music has all E's in three quart.
how can i get E transposed to E minus quart

Only the Es? A, B, C, D, etc must still play the original A, B, C?

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