AndyLeF

21 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

Put a tick in Render in Real Time in the MIX AND RENDER section in the export options and see if that helps, if not, freeze the track first - if it's just audio when it's exported, it should bounce down correctly.

Yes that works the same as applying "Freeze" to the problematic synth track - takes the full real-time to render each time to export so if exporting a lot, it's better to "Freeze" the synth tack.

19 hours ago, David Baay said:

More specifically regarding 32-bit synths, there is a bug in Bitbridge that adds an empty buffer of audio to the start of rendered audio, causing it to play back delayed. This can be mitigated by running a very small buffer when rendering offline. Or, knowing that rendered audio is exactly one buffer late, you can slip-edit the buffer off the clip and slide it earlier by that amount. Beyond that, the relatively inexpensive 3rd-party Jbridge add-in does not have this issue, but may not be worth it unless you have a favorite go-to sound in a synth that has never been updated to 64-bit.

Thanks for all the Bitbridge info David. 
I'll live with the freeze synth fix for now - once a synth track has been finalised, it might just as well be frozen while the rest of the project is progressed.

19 hours ago, msmcleod said:

Check your timing master settings are set correctly:

Thanks. All the same settings as mine except for the check in the 64bit double precision box - but that didn't fix my problem.

17 hours ago, David Baay said:

I guarantee this is due to the Bitbridge issue described above - acknowledged by the Bakers long ago but never committed to be fixed due to the increasing 'un-necessity' of using 32-bit plugins and the availability of work-arounds.

Yes, I agree David! 

17 hours ago, scook said:

SONAR Home Studio (later versions), Artist, Professional or Platinum all included a 64bit version of Rapture Session which can load and play CSC programs.

Running the Rapture Session installer after CSC will automatically pick up the CSC programs making them available in Rapture Session.

Thanks - I'll look into that!

16 hours ago, Cactus Music said:

And a very good acoustic bass is found in Dim Pro if you have it. But I’ll toss in another vote for try and replace all 32 bit instruments. If I have a problem it’s mostly been due to 32 bit VST. Or Dx stuff. I even avoid the tts-1 now. I only use it for preview 

Yes, I must try and move forward with the times! I'll check out that Dim Pro acoustic bass - thanks.

32 minutes ago, bdickens said:

It is time to move on from 32 bit; as time goes on they will only become more and more problematic.

Yeah it sure is!

But the luddite in me hangs on grimily to old systems  that I've used for a long time and am familiar with...

Many thanks for your help David.

The midi bass is an old midi Cakewalk Sound Center synth with the Acoustic bass which I've used on many projects.  It's a 32 bit synth.

There are no (intentional) delay FX on the midi synth track.  This is so weird - I've used similar project setups 100s of times in the past - maybe one of the CW updates has disturbed something. This problem is only affecting the Sound Centre synth and not a SI Strings synth I also have set-up.

I'm using the Export off-line.

I've just found a work around - I have to Freeze the synth with the "Freeze in real time" option selected - takes a while but at least when it completes I can export my project now!

Andy

Strange problem here - I have a music project consisting of midi tracks and wav recordings....

...when I play the project within Cakewalk everything is fine and on the correct beat...

...but when I export the project, the bass becomes delayed and 'hesitant' relative to the rest of the tracks...

Am I going mad?!

Thanks for any thoughts,

Andy

Of course, I found a way to do it as soon as I asked the question....!

The Cakewalk browser is not used in the operation at all - I simply made a midi track within Cakewalk and dragged one of the progressions from within the Unison folder in a file MS manager window straight into the midi track and it worked, after assigning an instrument to that track.

It's a bit of a 'clunky' operation (not all being within Cakewalk)  but at least my $27 for Unison hasn't been wasted!

On 6/1/2020 at 1:01 AM, Tezza said:

their marketing philosophy is very "hard sell" constantly offering things and directing you to promo videos for things, inundated with upselling emails etc

Yeah, they certainly do this.... 

In buying the chord pack, they really pushed me for more 'bells and whistles' add-ons before I finally got to the checkout for the basic Unison Midi Chord Pack. Things like chord progressions from the 'hits' bundle. I guess that would be useful as well; all being in one place,  but it's the sort of thing you can easily find yourself online.

Andy

I also picked up the "Unison MIDI Chord Pack" as it seemed useful but I can't see how to access it in my Cakewalk DAW...

The Unison setup video show the top-level "Unison MIDI Chord Pack" folder being dragged into the browser of the DAWs they are using (unfortunately none of them Cakewalk) - and then dragging chord progressions into a midi track - but the browser in Cakewalk seems to be of a different type and doesn't allow that operation  from my attempts..

Has anyone had any success using it from within Cakewalk and if so how did you set it up?

Many thanks for any information!

Andy

On 12/17/2020 at 4:22 PM, John Vere said:

Didn't you read the information on scooks posts. That tells you what to do as far as I can tell. Basically you are probably missing a CC+. I remember that from back then because I have X3 Studio. 

Many thanks for the reminder John and to @scook  - that C+ redistribution file repair was all that was needed (+ a VST rescan)  

On 12/15/2020 at 4:31 PM, John Vere said:

@AndyLeF you most certainly don't want to have to use the 32 bit version. Follow the advise given in the other posts here and install the 64 bit version.

I'd love to John - but my 64bit dll from SONAR X3 wasn't recognised - it's dated 2013 so maybe it's too old for Bandlab's Cakewalk...  

21 hours ago, lapasoa said:

Session Drummer 3 is a very obsolete soft synth which dates back to more than 10 years ago.

I think you are mistaken here - it's not a soft synth; there's a vast wav library associated with Session Drummer 3 with 100's MB of different types of real drum kits. I've used it a lot in the past and really like it and don't really want to migrate to a different setup if I can help it.

I've now managed to get "Session Drummer 3"  working in 32bit mode now - for anyone interested you can try the following:

Run your previous SONAR X3 (or X2 or X1) installation disc/files and when it gets to the menu "Basic or Advanced" setup - select "Advanced" and just select the plugins you want to add (not a full install). I tried this initially for 64 bit operation but that Session drummer driver wasn't recognised so, I then did another partial installation of plugins for 32bit mode and this Session Drummer 3 driver is recognised.

When the installation is finished, open Cakewalk (Bandlab) and in the "Edit/Preferences/VST" settings navigate to the 32 bit VST/Session Drummer 3 folder and then "ADD" that path to the VST folders that are scanned and then select "Scan" to force a re-scan of all the folders.

Session Drummer 3 will then appear in the "Uncategorised" Plugin list and can now be added as an instrument track strip.

Note that there was a soft-synth that was missing in the Cakewalk (Bandlab) version that was there on previous versions of SONAR - the "Cakewalk Sound Centre" - this synth is a bit long in the tooth but it has some quite good sounds on it that can still be useful. This synth gets installed as an added bonus with the above 32bit plugin re-install.

Phew! - I knew it was going to be painful but the Win10 upgrade with the new (free!) Cakewalk (Bandlab) and above plugins re-installed have made my music studio future proof for the next few years....

Good luck everyone!

Andy

I've just bitten the bullet and upgraded my PC to Win10 and then upgraded from Sonar X3 to Bandlab Cakewalk.... I knew this was going to be painful!

I then did a partial SONAR 3 install; just installing the VST plugins and now "Session Drummer 3" appears here:

Program Files/Cakewalk/VstPlugins - BUT -  when running the new  Bandlab version of Cakewalk, it refuses to 'see' the Session Drummer 3 driver "SessionDrummer x64.dll"

I've tried manually resetting the Vst plugins with a VST manual scan ("Rescan Failed Plug-ins" & "Rescan All Plug-ins") but still no joy.

My "Session Drummer x64.dll" has a size of 1708KB and is dated 12/09/2013 - just wondered if this driver is too old for WIN10?

Does anyone have a later version of the driver they could send me?

Many thanks,

Andy