casio3000

Hi again 

Thanks everyone for your comments. I learned a lot from the comments. Just to update you: I am using a Casio CTX 3000 keyboard for recording midi on Cakewalk. There is no sync option on my keyboard.  However I figured out that the problem is not with syncing as I can drag all notes to grids at once manually. As Jose said latency is not a problem here either. 

Thank you John for your advise regarding setting correct tempo and time signature. This helped a lot with finding the problem. So what i did was i ran an isolation test by setting up everything 100% correct. 

The problem was a 1/64 Timba note in my accompaniment t. So this probably confused the software and made every beat of drum out of grid. I took the Timba note off my rhythm and the issue was fixed. I notice this for every rhythm that contains 1/64 fraction of notes. 

Not sure if this is due to my laptop CPU being unable to handle this or Cakewalk itself or maybe my keyboard.  

On 5/20/2020 at 1:54 AM, David Baay said:

So you recorded live performance input as well as sequenced playback from a workstation-type keyboard simultaneously? I assume you had some sort of sync set up with matching tempos between the workstation and Cakewalk...? Were you playing to Cakewalk's audio metronome, or just playing along with the keyboard accompaniment? And how are MIDI and audio being routed and monitored while recording?

If MIDI is all late relative to the grid due to audio latency and/or MIDI transmission delay, you might have  a lot of notes getting quantized the wrong direction, but  I know of no circumstance that will cause notes to be deleted. Possibly you have early and late notes on the same note number getting quantized to the same gridline so one gets masked by the other...?

In any case, zoom in a bit and check the average discrepancy between the MIDI and the grid. And watch how it moves when you alternately quantize and undo. If everything is typically late  (or early)  you can start by nudging the whole clip to minimize the average discrepancy before quantizing. If there's a strong average offset one way or the other, you'll want to see what can be changed in your setup to minimize it.

Quantizing isn't rocket science, so long as you have a good handle on what resolution is needed, and everything is within half of that resolution of the M:B:T grid line where it was intended to land, it should give a good result.

Hi David 

you are right. my beats are out of grids. This is why the quantize does not work. can be due to latency. what is the solution to this ? can you explain a bit more regarding nudging the clip ? thanks 

8 hours ago, Blogospherianman said:

Also if you weren’t syncd up and don’t feel like redumping you can always sync up what you’ve record by mapping the grid (tempo) using Set Measure Beat at Now, since your project is midi.  If it was audio, you could map the tempo a different way.  Then quantizing should work fine.  If the grid is off, it only quantizes off.

Hi again

Just checked and there is no sync option on my keyboard. So got to drag all notes manually.  Still works but takes ages !! the issue is that for some rhythm, the drum track that is created on keyboard ( supposed to be 100% accurate in trams of beats) initially fits the grid but becomes out of grids for the rest of song.  Not sure if this is due to latency or something else ? 

if this issue is resolved then I can adjust all other tracks to the drum track

Yes this makes sense. Will try this today thanks 

22 hours ago, JoseC said:

I am not sure, but I would agree with @David Baay that this looks like a sync problem. Are you sending midi clock to the keyboard while you play? How are you recording the backing tracks from the keyboard into Cakewalk?

Hi Jose 

No i did not setup midi clock and as i checked now the clock is set to Audio. Change it to midi sync ? how does this affect the quantize process ? what i do is i add midi tracks and set different channels for each track and then record each track changing the track number from keyboard

Hello 

I am trying to quantize a multi track song  I played on my keyboard and recorded in midi format in cakewalk. I usually quanize my tracks on keyboard but since this song was recorded in cake wake I cant edit it on my keyboard. Quantizing by keyboard is pretty straightforward and works fine.

However I ve spent hours quantizing tracks on cakewalk and the result is awful. Even quzntizing the accompaniment that was created by keyboard makes the accompaniment out of beat and deletes some notes. Most of my tracks need to be quantizes to 1/32.

I ve read the manual and also played with settings in quantize menue but still get the same results. Can you please advise how to get a nice and clean quantize in cake walk ? 

3 hours ago, David Baay said:

FWIW, I found a link to a Casio instrument Definition file at the bottom of this page that was posted relatively recently:

https://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/topic/16142-casio-instrument-definition-files/

To import it, go to Preferences > MIDI > Instruments, click the Define button, and then the Import button, and navigate to the .INS file. Assign it to channels of the output port that the Casio is on (maybe its own USB port), and then you will see Casio banks and patches in the relevant drop-down controls of any track that's ha souput assigned to that port.

 

Hi David Can't believe i followed what you wrote and the issue is fixed!!! now i can assign sound and instrument to each track 

Thanks a heap mate

2 hours ago, David Baay said:

FWIW, I found a link to a Casio instrument Definition file at the bottom of this page that was posted relatively recently:

https://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/topic/16142-casio-instrument-definition-files/

To import it, go to Preferences > MIDI > Instruments, click the Define button, and then the Import button, and navigate to the .INS file. Assign it to channels of the output port that the Casio is on (maybe its own USB port), and then you will see Casio banks and patches in the relevant drop-down controls of any track that's ha souput assigned to that port.

 

Many thanks 

17 hours ago, David Baay said:

I'm not familiar with the Casio, but make sure it's in some kind of 'Multitimbral' performance mode, and you are playing it by echoing MIDI from the keyboard through Cakewalk and back to the Casio's sound module with Local Control turned OFF in the Casio so that Cakewalk can re-channel the messages appropriately for whichever track has focus when you're rehearsing/recording.  Then, ideally, you should find and import an 'Instrument Definition' for it, which will allow you to select patches for each MIDI track using Bank and Patch controls in the track, rather than having to set them in the Casio, and reset them every time you use it with a different project that uses a different combination of sounds.

Thanks David seems I need to control the sound through cakewalk for other channels

16 hours ago, 57Gregy said:

Welcome to the forum.
These are some very basic MIDI functions. Each MIDI track must use a different channel number when playing through your keyboard. Maximize each track to see all the MIDI assignments you can select, such as channel, bank and patch (instrument sound). Maybe go to https://bandlab.github.io/cakewalk/docs/Cakewalk Reference Guide.pdf for some detailed information.

Hello ans thanks for the reply. I have organised the channels and can record the multitrack song.  I can change instrument type for channel one using my keyboard but for other channel the instrument seems to be fixed wont follow the instrument selected on my keyboard. 

Hello everyone 

This is my first post in this forum. I want to record a multi track song using cakewalk and my casio ctx300 digital keyboard. I have some issues with recording the tracks and i hope someone can help me with my questions 

1- I selected string sound on my keyboard and recorded the first midi track. However during the play back  track one keeps changing instrument when i change the sound on my keyboard and when i turn the keyboard on and off the instrument sound changes to default keyboard sound which is piano. I want to fix the instrument sound for this track to String regardless keyboard sound.

2-After recording how do i change the instruments for each track in cakewalk ? can i change the instrument on cakewalk and playback on keyboard? so if track 2 was recorded using guitar, after recording i want to change it to flute and want to hear flute sound during play back on my keyboard

3- i am using rhythm accompaniment for my music, what is the best channel arrangement for recording them? i found out that track 10 records the drum. but play back drum is different from what I have made on my keyboard