Keni

Good thought, but no. I'm aware of the process and looked for this. The VV clip is not sounding in the copied locations.

Good thought.

I tried that to. Can't get the copied VV clips to play. I've been doing this since Roland/Cakewalk first gave us VV.

There seems to be a difference in the display of both the VV clip and the original. I'm trying to remember exactly what that difference is.

Keeping up with the Melodyne issue has me baffled. The blob display has gone, come back, now gone again. 

All these issues are only since ARA2...

While I continue to have issues with Melodyne not showing blobs (yes, most recent updates of cbb/mel), I rely upon VVocal which has always worked.

...but for the last two CbB updates I constantly run into this.

i have a clip somewhere near the beginning of the song which I correct with VVocal.

i then ctrl-shift-click-drag to locations farther in the song. All looks good.

when i play the track the vvocal clip is fine the first time but not the others offering only silence.

my work around is to render before i copy, but this has never been the way previously. Is anyone else seeing anything like this?

Very 👍 And 🙏

Turtle Beach?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding. You aren't finding the new version but you see the old?

Maybe the new version got installed to a default steinberg vstplugin path?

I've been using Cakewalk since the first release if Cakewalk tor Windows.

I was previously an alpha/beta participant with Texture by Roger Powell back in DOS days and the first releases of Windows, but by Windows 3 I needed a windows based sequencer. Cakewalk was and is the best!

I have had every release and update since then!

What paths are shown in plugin manager? It must be in one of them (or subfolder) to be found.

Yes. I've been doing this for many years using CDArchitecht...

Simply enable burn text to cd and fill in the assorted fields...

Great to hear acknowledgment from Avid...

Hopefully more of the industry will take note!

Funny how it seems we all caught them trying to take credit for naming convention. We all know the truth but I guess they couldn't find anything else that they might claim as they have been behind us in so many issues for so long.

I have editor and it doesn't have the follow clips option.

4.2.2

I do still use it but I've not seen this happen.

Which drum kit do you use with it? Maybe it's a programming error in the REX file?

Yeah, I'm an old timer. Cakewalk for Windows 1.0....

I've seen many changes.

Layers and Lanes are very similar more than not. I believe Cakewalk was the first to offer this type of feature. Layers had plenty of bugs/issues too. We lost and gained in the tranition. In the long run we've gained many features some of which I even use, but we lost these basic items which happen to be very fundamentally difficult for me. To be fair, I know the Bakers have addressed this issue a little, but after so many years I truly expected it to be cleaned up by now.

Zoom? Whatever I select should be what I get. That's somewhat obvious, yes?

The other item is seeing the track image (promoted clips) while editing on Lanes. Not only is this essentially useless for me. I can't count how often that image confuses my eyes making the editing more difficult.

Thanks for the heads up!

🙏 👽

Thanks for the correction Msmcleod!

You are correct.

It took me some time to adjust to lanes, but all is well now... except for the issues of lane zooming and viewing of promoted clips on the track itself.

I expect to see only what I selected when I zoom... and when I'm editing clips, seeing the promoted/track image is far more confusing to my eye than helpful. I hope they at least offer an option to disable promoted clip image while lanes are displayed!

Hmmm...

I just downloaded and installed 4.2.2.... Seeing blobs, but some things are not jiving.

Could these be because I have editor and not studio?

I do not see either the orange icon or the show track list options.... They sound multi-track related.

Though I now see blobs, It is not going directly to the clip I selected and displays the whole track which I then have to fidgit with zooms and scrolling to locate.

I still don't understand the track mode vs. clip mode but when I switch to clip mode I get no blobs...

Thanks Noel!

Both for the schooling and the hard work!

Ok... never had this happen before.

Melodyne was giving me the no blob situation so I used v-vocal and all was well.

I drag-copied it to another time in same song same track/lane. No envelopes, etc.

The copied gives no sound. Rendering it yields flat line. Removing it returns to original clip.

Th original opens/renders correctly.

This time, Melodyne opend and gave blobs on the un-v-vocaled clip!

This is confusing...

Yes. I'm running into these issues a lot right now.

Sometimes I've been able to force the issue and sometimes not.

A few times I opened a region using the ctrl-m shortcut, no blobs, undo, open melodyne using rt-click region melodyne and the clips are there. Most recently, this didn't work. I get no blobs no matter what i do in this song.

...luckily v-vocal continues to work fine!

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Hi Grem...

Yes... Probably more than once as it's been years of complaining about this. I believe I've also had chats on the forum with Noel and others about this.

I would imagine automation lanes having many of the same difficulties. Funny, but I still find myself editing automation on the track instead of the lanes most of the time. Now thinking about it probably exactly for this reason. Zooming the track gives me expected results instead of lane restricted.

I wish I could get away with that for clips, but my methodology dates back to layers and though I've tried handling other ways, layers/lanes is my best option. There are many options that lanes allows which were not available in layers for various reasons. Lanes got cleaned up for most of my issues except for this one glaring limitation which haunts me everyday in all the work I do.

Maybe if you and others put in feature requests as well it will rise in importance? Can't hurt?

Exactly!

Thanks Grem!

I couldn't believe no one else is bothered by this. Thanks for the relief.

Some people find it important to see the promoted clips. So to accomodate both preferences, I feel a simple option to disable the track image when lanes are exposed would be a huge help to me. I dislike the confusion of the virtual image simultaneous with the lane-clips.

...and the other factor of why should the track size be larger than the clips? Very counter intuitive to me and forces lots of extra fiddling.

I know a while back the Bakers managed to increase maximum zoom of lanes, but it's been a long time and this is still not right. If I have 6, 8, 12 lanes and wish to zoom only a few bars of 2 lanes, that,s what I shoukd get. Right now when I try this I get a large track and all the lanes small including lanes I didn't include in the zoom selection.

For me, most else is excellent and more stable than I can remember. This remains the biggest "sore spot"...

Yeah, I know. I'm still here complaining about this.

Ever since the switch to silverlight and layers to lanes.

Zoom is always a pain when dealing with lanes. If I zoom on a clip on one lane, why would I want to see the TRACK large and lanes small?

I spend far too much time constantly adjusting my zoom to get what I want. In the days of layers, it was immediate!

I can't be the only one bothered by this yet it is never addressed other than one of my posts!

Being forced to complicate my view further seeing the promoted clips when I don't need it makes it all the worse.

This continues to be one of my most annoying issues with a program I love!

41 minutes ago, Zargg said:

Hi. This is my understanding as well.

If you drag and drop an audio file into https://www.loudnesspenalty.com/

it will tell you how the different streaming services in/decreases the level of your mix.

All the best.

Thanks Zargg...

That sounds helpful!