Terry Kelley

Byron, I think what he is requesting is to help make this forum better, not worse.

Then everybody be quiet and see if he notices!

Or just let it load and delete it. You're going to have to point the tracks to other VSTs anyway so it a simple additional step.

Are you mad!!!!!??????

9 minutes ago, OutrageProductions said:

Not AFAIK. Just set a punch out for the end of the song.

That's how I do it. You can't just leave the punch-out "undefined." Well, at least until someone corrects me!

I suspect that rather than a snag they might be guilty of being a tad over-exuberant on the timeline. Like I've never done that ...

Yep.

If the the VST loads a default preset that CW can alter then it's just a matter of them hunting down that preset and changing it's content. But if default is hard coded, well that would take just a tad more work.

It's snark people. I don't actually believe it something they should spend their time on ... unless they already are and then I full support their efforts ...

If I was the CW developers, I would focus first on professional users and those that have shown they use a large number of the features as much as possible.  Among several reasons, I don't see myself being in that group. I started with DOS and bought various versions until Sonar but didn't expect that to have any affect on their decision. Based on what I have seen on this forum, I'd bet we could guess at least 10 people that were selected and rightfully so.

My expectations for selection were low. So I've decided to focus on being impatient!

Yes, that plays to my point. The CW developers don't have access to that part of the VST to make it happen. The VST developers need to do something first.

I thought the goal here was to change what preset was default. Where the VST(i) goes "I don't know what to do so I will load this one." 

Maybe semantics are at play here.

I am wondering how CW could get the VST(i) to load the preset. Seems it would require the VST(i) developersto make some changes. I like the idea but implementing it might need to be pushed in VST4.

I see this periodically with plugins that want to call home or after an automatic update to the plugin. Cherry Audio is notorious for this. I just reinsert the plugin and it's fine.

I think the developers have been clear that there will be plenty of time to use CbB while we decide if Sonar is worth using or moving on. It appears to be an extremely fair offer.

Well I am hurt and will need, oh, a million dollars to feel better. No, only a million dollars will work.

No worries, I like your posts. 👍

2 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

I get the impatience. The people who make my favorite toy have announced there's a new version that will ship "sometime in the near future," but that was 6 months ago.

As far as your personal needs go, I suspect that you could be happy with Cakewalk by BandLab in its current state for a long time.

BandLab have announced no plans to turn off the validation server. They have also shown a history of not only leaving the Cakewalk, Inc. registration server and product repository turned on (for 6 years now), they even recently updated the front end program for it. Spending money to provide continued support for a defunct company's products, and they are products that are in direct competition with their own. From the start, it's been in BandLab's best interests for people to migrate/update from SONAR to CbB, yet they enable people to stick with SONAR for as long as they like. They've even kept the Steam validation going for people who bought it that way.

I've even recently witnessed a Cakewalk developer patiently helping a SONAR 8.5 user on this forum.

The idea that they would suddenly kick the cord out of their own Cakewalk's validation server....it would be out of character for them to do it. Yes, they say "at some point" Cakewalk by BandLab will no longer validate, but IIRC, they've also said that about the old Cakewalk, Inc. products. The ill will it would generate just wouldn't be worth it.

At this point, BandLab are the company who saved SONAR. Now, after 6 years of letting everyone use SONAR's direct descendant for free, while they turned the dev staff loose on bug fixing like rabid wolves, they've announced a more extensively revamped DAW that will continue the "Sonar" branding and will be payware.

This is all fine, they're heroes who are now going to be claiming a just reward. Why anyone would suspect that they would suddenly kick CbB users to the curb, with all the ill will that would generate, escapes me.

The loss-leader concept is now firmly entrenched in the audio software market. MeldaProduction (wouldn't be an Erik post without a mention of MeldaProduction, would it?) was an early pioneer, with their MFreeFX Bundle. That package of freebies was (and still is) of incredibly value in my self-education as a mix engineer, and it so solidly hooked me on their products that I now have a lifetime license for everything they will ever produce.

Many companies have followed suit, including iZotope and Kilohearts.

There will be users who will wish to stay with CbB for whatever reason(s). Custom theming is one near to my heart that I will miss a great deal.

Breaking things for people who took you up on the loss leader? I can't think of any audio software company who has done that. It would generate so much ill will. Why would any company deliberately do that? BandLab are smart cookies. The Cakewalk staff have been around the music software industry for a long time and know the score (no pun intended). Sonar is still a product of the same company, BandLab AFAIK didn't get bought up by a different conglomerate with a different agenda. Meng's vision of rescuing SONAR from oblivion is still driving it. Now, part of that vision is having it bring in direct revenue instead of just the brand recognition it's been supplying.

Once Sonar ships, the plan is to no longer allow new users to adopt CbB. I suspect that this is partly to curtail the free version from cannibalizing sales of the new version. Fair enough, although I'd love it if the plan were to keep the legacy CbB around as a loss-leader. But they've given a huge advance warning that if you still want the freebie CbB, act NOW.

Nothing sinister, ever, in 6 years. I just don't think it's going to start now.

As for the licensing cost, I personally suspect that it will be a pleasant surprise. Sonar, as Jon alluded to, will probably get some of the Cakewalk IP plug-ins added back. But AFAIK, it's not going to ship with the huge bundle of 3rd-party goodies that Platinum did. Maybe I'm wrong, but there's been no indication of that.

If that's the case, the starting point is SONAR Professional pricing. With the competition not exactly resting for the past half-dozen years, lots more action in the $100 range with Studio One Artist, Waveform, REAPER, and Mixcraft, I suspect something in that neighborhood. Maybe also some kind of subscription model in addition (some people prefer that for various reasons). Waves have taught us about the perils of trying to sell subscription-only to creative software users, so I wouldn't expect subscription-only.

Boy, you read a lot more into what I wrote than anyone could imagine. LOL. Well, except for our resident Eeyore!

The excitement of a new Sonar version  "later in the year" has drifted into being a bit tired of waiting. If I will be compelled to switch to a competitor due to price or a subscription model I would like to get the show on the road. I have been playing with two other DAWs and they would serve me fine if staying with Sonar isn't worth it. But I am a private user, not commercial.  Me remaining "faithful" isn't going to help any company.

But at the same time I don't want to miss a potentially awesome DAW update. And all of this while I stare at my stack of Cakewalk software starting at the DOS 1.04 version. So I sit here tapping my finger on the desk waiting.

I searched the EZD forum and the answers always jump to a workaround but no solid conclusion on if this should work. And no, RTFM doesn't help.

1. Add an EZD drummer instance to Cakewalk. Within EZD add some drum grooves.

2. Click Add a Song Track and select that track.

3. Add some tamborine  grooves  to this second track.

4. Hit Play (DAW or EZD.)

EZD will only play the selected track, not both. My work around has been to add a new instance to Cakewalk for each EZD instrument (e.g. Percussion.) Just since there is this track sitting there, I alway thought EZD would play them all.

It seems to me EZD should play all of the tracks not just the selected track, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It can't. I finally got a direct answer on the TT forum rather than work-arounds. I know the work-arounds : I use them! I was just surprised it won't and decided to make sure I hadn't missed something.

On 12/22/2023 at 3:37 PM, Starship Krupa said:

Craig Anderton addressed this question a week ago:

https://blog.presonus.com/2023/12/15/why-i-dont-use-compressors-anymore/

I don't quite agree with everything he says, but he does at least mention that compression on buses, including the master bus, can really help "glue" a mix together.

Try messing with something like bx_masterdesk Classic that you can get for free at PluginAlliance. Put it on your master bus and try a few presets.

Something I've been doing more and more is to mix the song with whatever effects I want at whatever level I like. Sounds good!

Then I turn off all the effects and reset all of the levels. Then start mixing again without the effects (unless it's one recorded on the track itself.) I find that I don't tend to add in the same amounts of compression/limiting and reverb. EQ tends to return to the same levels though.

As I am building up the track I just add too many effects at high levels and while I like that mix, shutting them all off and remixing always gives me an improved mix.

I've found that I can usually load a problem project by opening a different project first then load the problem project. Not sure what is happening. Maybe it's moving the problem in memory.

But this will usually the load the project and the cause of the crash is one of the last VSTs I loaded so I can delete that and re-save. Loading more than one instance of EZDrummer 3 is often the issue too. That will usually cause problems at some point.

I tried it and they would all consistently open regardless of the workspace but I also confirmed it will close any that are already open when you do it. I think pressing F should close all and allow you to open all at once and get re-sync'd.

Now if I had said that ...

The Cooper Time Cube has a 14ms left channel delay and 16ms right channel delay. This gives a well balanced stereo effect. Welcome to plastic tube delay technology! This is what Greg Lake used often on his voice and guitar. Note the 10k roll-off.

The Cooper Time Cube is easily emulated in the Sonitus Delay.

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Beat me by this much!

The natives are restless.

I didn't think "later this year" meant 'late in the year.' I understand and support the need to make both Sonar and Next be the best they can be but this started in June and I think many of us incorrectly assume 'a couple of months.'

We were wrong. Oh well.