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  1. We did a bunch of testing and certain plugins across different companies will break the surround panner mute/solo. Deleting the plugin won't fix it. You have to restart Cakewalk. VST/VST2/VST3/DX.

    I'll leave it to support to tell me who's the issue. It's a coin toss which one's will work.

  2. Have you considered Cubase?


    For a sampler, there are several free one's out there like TX16W that are really good. I am not sure what Cakewalk could bring to the table that you can't already get.

    I thought sidechaining was pretty easy in Cakewalk. Maybe I am just used to the steps.

    Some of your other suggestions are intriguing.


  3. Hi Mr. Cook.

    Your point is probably the best way to infer what can and can't be done. I could never find someone that tried it and said it didn't work but only, "it probably won't work." Sounds like SteveT is the first to confirm it with real world results that I've seen.

    Presonus has a long drawn out paper on how the clocks work and even gets close to saying that "reclocking" would allow multiple interfaces. But when they get to the meat of the subject their answer is get interfaces with external clock inputs and lots of BNC cables and tees or get an interface with more inputs and outputs.

    After playing with multiple interfaces (and Mr. McLeod said it best) you can get close but not perfectly in sync with reclocking (meaning let the interface handle it.) Apparently Macs will allow some interfaces to be merged but staying in zero phase-sync is still an issue according to users. I did some phase measurements with several borrow interfaces using WASAPI Exclusive and I could never get them within more than a couple of milliseconds of delay. Even two identical interfaces drifted or had a measurable (and audible) delay. It would work but I couldn't expect to get a solid mono localized image between two interfaces (like front and rear left.) Ain't gonna happen unless it's pure luck and it's unlikely they will stay that way.

    So I conceded (through testing), that if it works it's still not locked and stable. Get a multichannel interface or interfaces with external clock inputs.

    And the ASIO driver for the Behringer UCA-222 just picked one interface, not both.  I never got to test two Presonus with ASIO.  You would think that given the bandwidth of even USB 2.0 you could send sync pulses or sync clock to multiple interfaces but it appears that's not in the cards.

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  4. I'm working in 5.1 Film surround. According to the manual I can click on any speaker in the surround panner and mute it. But when I click any speaker nothing happens.

    To mute a surround speaker

    In the large surround panner, click a speaker icon to mute its output. The speaker icon turns gray when the speaker is muted.


    In the small surround panner, click a white square to mute a speaker’s output. The square turns gray when the speaker is muted."

    Am I missing something? My ultimate goal is to not have any center channel signal after a mix down. I don't know if muting the center channel in the panner would do that, but muting certainly doesn't happen to allow me to test it. Right clicking on the panner and selecting Mute C (or any speaker) doesn't mute it.

    A friend tried it on his system and it doesn't mute either.



    Posted June 15, 2019 (edited)

    I am working on a film project 5.1 and facing a strange issue. On the large surround panner the speaker icons are not working as I want to mute /unmute but nothing happens upon pressing/clicking on these icons. Whereas it is suppossed to be turning grey upon pressing/clicking  and mute that speaker output.

    i am using TC electronics 24d konnect soundcard and windows7 64.

  5. 1 hour ago, azslow3 said:

    If I understand correctly,  your primary wish was physical controls for all outputs. But we are in Cakewalk by Bandlab forum. So, if controlling different outputs in CbB is sufficient, any Control Surface with multichannel audio interface will do the trick.  The controller can be configured to change volumes in CbB  rather flexible way.

    Sure, if software in question is not CbB (nor other DAW) or the sound does not come from software at all that approach is not going to work.

    My issue is that, while very rare, Cakewalk or a plugin will flip out (and it could very well be the interface flipping out) and generating tons of noise far beyond the software volume levels. Imagine taking the Tape Out of your pre-amp and plugging it into your 500W stereo amp with the volume on the amp set to 11. If anything goes wrong, you have no way to turn it down without running over to the amp or as in the 21st century, to the back of the speakers to turn them down or off. I want something  on my desk I can grab. I have yet to find an interface with physical volume controls on the line outs or dual master outs without going to a console mixer.

    I won't connect to an amp without some physical volume control (and the Presonus interfaces are true passive analog pots at the master output.)

    And no, I am not doing a survey so people don't need to post that they've never had a problem! :);)

  6. You could also try:

    1. Open the file.

    2. Look at the events and note the number of channels

    3. Create that many midi tracks.

    4.  Go to Edit/Select/By Filter

    5. Set the Channel to 1 (or the lowest) and hit Ok. This will highlight only those events on Channel one

    6. Copy those with either Edit/Copy or CTRL-C.

    7. Paste to the new Channel 1 track

    8. Repeat for each channel.


    Side note. I do see that Cal file but I don't have any Midi 0 files, only 1 and WRK files from the 1900's.

  7. 10 minutes ago, John Vere said:

    The test was a total failure. I could select both interfaces in preferences under WASAPI exclusive. I could also select either interface in the 2 tracks I set up but when you hit record it tells you the old pop up that the device in use does not support the currant driver mode. So testing individually it turns out the Motu does not support WASAPI exclusive. The Focusrite works fine under WASAPI exclusive. So once again every manufacture has a little bit different coding in its driver. 




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    When I select WASAPI Exclusive with my iTwo and UCA--222, Cakewalk complains that my format (44.1k/16b) isn't compatible with one interface (the UCA-222) and switches to 48k/16b. I can then assign four tracks to each of the four inputs and they do record.

  8. Ok, so in Cakewalk/Preferences/Audio/Drivers you can select the Playback or Record Timing Master. Cakewalk is listening to the interfaces clock? I always thought Cakewalk specified and generated the clocks for the interface and these settings determined where the clock was going and coming from. I also didn't consider that the time bases probably aren't high enough that dividing it down would effective divide cut the error.

    Very interesting insight. Thanks for taking the time to go over this.


  9. 1 hour ago, msmcleod said:

    Actually it matters more for playback than recording.

    Recording isn't an issue, as you can adjust the recording by nudging the waveform to align it.

    Playback is more of an issue.  If the wordclocks aren't in sync, the devices won't be playing at exactly the same time for the same sample time.  This can cause phase issues or a chorus/flange effect if the wordclocks drift significantly.   More subtle wordclock drifting will mess with your stereo imaging, making your mix seem "wider" in places or even lop sided. 

    You might get away with it if you carefully choose which instruments go to which output - i.e. make sure stereo pairs, or doubled parts always go to the same device.   But you can't rely on it.

    To avoid any of these issues, I'd seriously recommend getting a multiple out audio interface.  You can get them pretty cheap nowadays off eBay, or even refurbished from the manufacturer (Focusrite quite often sells refurbished or older generation interfaces off cheap).  

    I can see where this could effect the image of anything not exclusively in the front or rear pair. Where is the clock generated? I missed that.

  10. It does for me. Are these Cakewalk midi files (WRK)?

    Try the attached. I can create a single midi track, highlight it and then import this file getting many tracks.

    I'm trying to think if there is a setting that controls this. Are you sure they aren't truly single tracks with everything piled into it? You can do that even if that confuses everybody.



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