Tobias

12 hours ago, Shane_B. said:

It's really good. I like that type of music a lot. It puts me in a calm mood and creates an atmosphere I like.

I did this a few years ago. It's not my latest creation but probably the best I've done in a very long time. I was in a zone and I couldn't replicate the guitar melody again if my life depended on it. I can't sing or play this well at all anymore actually. I recorded it for my dog Maggie when she died a few years back. She was at my side 24/7 and in my studio for every recording I made during the 14 years she was alive. Just a simple recording I did on my Tascam 8 Track and transferred to my DAW to mix/master/upload.

 

I am getting strong Mark Knopfler vibes from this song, both the overall feel and the singing.  I liked it, well done!

Focusrite Scarlet 2i2 and x-touch mini setup with azslow3  settings,  which I love. That is all I need.  

If I can't create with this its my fault and not lack of gear

Truly a giant in music. Sad times indeed, he seemed so healthy and played as great as ever just recently, watched his "classes" during covid. Must have been a quick process in the end. He  created enough music for us to enjoy for a long time though. Thanks for the ride Chick!

I heard Keith Jarret suffered a stroke a while back, might be the next one to go   Growing old just sucks. 

Always missed the notation capabilities from other software in cakewalk. Yes, I realize notation/daw might be different things but still ...  

It is rock solid for me, can't even remember the last time anything crashed and/or hanged etc. I guess there are many variables that come into play with any software such as other programs installed, the hardware, plugins etc. Anyway, sorry t o hear you are having so many issues and I am glad I see none of them ( know on wood ) 

On 12/19/2020 at 10:05 AM, Bill Ruys said:

I guess my answer to this is that AMD always had a disadvantage at low latency, meaning that against an intel chip of otherwise much lower specification, the AMD would not perform as well.  That's why I say if you have the motherboard that will support it, the 5000 serious is a seriously good upgrade.

On the other hand, if you don't care about low latency performance, and for sure, not everyone does, then I agree, you can probably stick with what you have.  For me, I can now monitor at extremely low latency without ever having to bump up the latency with any project I am ever likely to create, regardless of track count or plug-in count - this is a huge advantage over my last AMD CPU and actually makes this a fantastic value proposition for me.   I don't need outboard gear or the likes of a UAD accelerator card to get near-zero latency performance with all the FX on all the time, as I can now do it 100% native with no down-side at all.  It really is a giant leap in performance over my last CPU.  It's the best bang for buck I have had in many years.

Anyone, like me, that already had a supporting motherboard, RAM, etc. only has to upgrade one component to get a serious uplift in DAW performance.  That's why I added that qualifier.  If you already have a good intel-based system, there's not as big a driver to change anything.

You make valid points, I was only half serious with my post. Of course, if the setup used is causing any kinds of latency issues an upgrade is most definitely warranted. I never used AMD but it is a good thing they apparently are catching up, more competition is usually a good thing for us end users. 👍

On 12/18/2020 at 7:08 PM, Kevin Walsh said:

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No way!

I am in the Always Upgrade Always camp, which is imho vastly superior to the "Always use obsolete hardware in a futile attempt to get developers to write more efficient code" camp.  Faster is always better. Always. 

I will certainly update my 3950X to a 5950X after the holidays. The IPC and clock improvements are simply to great to ignore.

That is fair, but I find that for some reason increases in clock speed of my CPU does not hold a linear relationship to the quality of the music I am able to write  Faster is good, but faster is often not needed.  There is a happy medium between totally obsolete  and brand spanking new hot off the presses at AMD and Intel. 

On 12/7/2020 at 11:57 AM, Bill Ruys said:

If you have a previous generation Ryzen set-up and a motherboard that will support the 5000 series, do yourself a favour and upgrade - the difference is just incredible.

 

I would say don't upgrade unless you are having any issues  

I love the fact you are having such a great result from your upgrade and its comforting to know that tech is improving so if/when there is a need for an upgrade there are actually good ones out there and that are worth while. That said, I think the vast majority of users do very well with Cakewalk ( and other DAW's I am sure ) on very modest setups. Most computers these days are very powerful, even the "weaker" and older ones.   In the words of Spiderman ""With great power comes great responsibility",  given too much power there is the risk that developers get sloppy/lazy and write code that is not optimized or efficient requiring ever more resources.

Oh ok then I don't know unfortunately 😔 

I assume you just change the ticks in the CALS (or add new ones with the note lengths you want/need) you were provided to match whatever "distance" you want. If you live in a 4/4 universe a quarter note (beat) would be 960 ticks and a whole note (measure) would be 3840. You can modify that to anything based on number of ticks and how they correspond to the different note values you need. 

At their website presumably? Or are you asking for a pirated version? 

As far as I know they have no free version, but you can try the demo. 

18 hours ago, jsg said:

Just because you haven't learned to use it is no reason to project and say it's unusable.  It's unusable FOR YOU.    I don't like spinach, that's a subjective truth.  But I cannot say that spinach is objectively bad, I can only say I don't like it.    I used Digital Performer's QuickScribe for 18 months, every day.  It's not any better than Cakewalk; it has a few features that are better, but Cakewalk has features that are better for composition for me.    How could a classically-trained composer who has produced 14 albums and over 750 soundtrack cues work in the staff view if it's "unusable"?  Maybe I know something you don't?  Try to recognize the difference between a subjective evaluation, which you're certainly entitled to, and a overgeneralized sweeping statement that doesn't take into account the experience of others.

 

 

You make valid points, but I feel I must point out that you are dead wrong about spinach. Spinach is objectively horrible! 

Spend that money on something else. I am sure version 4 is more than good enough to create great music with. New versions and features all the time tends to get more focus that doing the actual thing the software is intended for in the first place, creating music. From what I have heard version 4 is liked by lots of people so I am sure you are sitting pretty with that one for years to come. Buy a beer or two instead and get inspired to create with what you have 

You are correct, there are ways around this and I do use them. Like you said you can enter them and the ability to spilt a quarternote into 920 or so ticks ( don't have it infront of me know ) means you can enter pretty much what you want and have it sound right.  It just makes the editing harder than it otherwise would be and obviously less intuitive since the notation is wrong for someone who likes to work with notation. Its probably old code like you say and might be a "if it aint broke" kind of a thing.   I will experiment a bit with importing those things into other software and see if I get them to display correctly there like you say. 

And to be clear, I too will take those imperfections any day of the week, I am not going anywhere anytime soon. Been using CW forever so its not a dealbreaker its just something on my wish list   

First daw-like software I used was back in 92-93 or something and it was called musicator, and it handled any kind of notation, whatever tuplets or polyrythms you could think of. maybe that set my expectations for later in life  

26 minutes ago, jsg said:

I've written this before, but keep in mind that the notation editor in a DAW is primarily about MIDI sequencing and editing.  It's not a scoring program, which is essentially a graphics program.  To prepare a score with parts for performance is not a recording function, it's a publishing tool.  I do all my scores in Sibelius, but I do all my MIDI work in Sonar.  I wouldn't expect, or even want, a DAW to be a publishing tool, better in my opinion to have the DAW for the creation and production of music and the full-fledged graphics program like Sibelius for publishing and final score creation. 

 

 

 

Fair point, but there are some simple (maybe?) tweaks only that I am really asking for, not the full on Finale/Sibelius feature set.  To me at this point, the staff implantation is a bit like having a word processor that does not contain all the letters of the alphabet, like 5-6 are missing for some reason.  The musical alphabet contains different note values that can be displayed visually, and it does in CW but only to a point. I guess I dont understand the cutoff point of what is include and what is not. whole notes up to 32nd notes and triplets is included in staff. There are no other tuplets like quintuplets of sixtuplets or polys etc, which I guess is as easy/or hard to process as an eight note for a computer as they are just different number of "ticks".  You can step record these things using ticks and tuplets but they are not able to be displayed correctly which makes editing hard(er). A 16th note quintuplet for example ends up being a group of 4 16th notes with an extra 16th mashed in between.  My question here is if it harder to display those than triplets or eights, or is it just that CW decided to stop where they did for some reason?  

I am ignorant about how difficult and/or time consuming it would be to expand the visual vocabulary a bit to be more complete. Could be it is a real pain. 

Another vote for staff improvements here!  I do realize a DAW and full fledged scoring apps like Finale/Sibelius are somewhat different and it might not be possible or feasible to get to that level at a reasonable amount of work based on the interest for such a thing from the CW community. I have said before that notation is really the only missing link in CW for me. I can manage to work around it either writing by hand or in other programs like mentioned above, but I would obviously prefer to be able to do it all within CW. But I do realize the implications of including scoring to that level, most likely mega effort involved. 

I hope maybe there could be some updates with  more notation options like different tuplets and polyrythms etc.  But hey,  I am very happy with the  product as is, but one can dream, right ?

More focus on staff view, making it a viable option for those of us who write actual notation. 

If for some reason w.j doesn't want it I would love it

Either way, very generous of you to offer this! 

Im in Sweden btw 

I like the Cakewalk interface. There is nothing about it that is hindering me in any way. I dont even think about it, which is the best comment I can give on a GUI. It just works. 

@msmcleod I did a clean install a while back and the gate is there as described. 

10 hours ago, maxsthaven said:

What some artists do is create a following and market and sell to that following: 100,000 followers with 20% of followers purchasing a new single for $2 is $40,000.  The real trick nowadays is creating the tribe that follows.  So, is the market flooded?  Yes.  But there’s money to be made; it just takes money to make money and that’s the deterent for most people.  The list simply shows the most common places where songs and music are in life.  You’d be surprised how many musicians I’ve met over the years who think their new song will get them eating pizza with AC/DC and Metallica (who are supposedly going to open for them at some magic future time) and never consider reality nor the economics of music.

I think its a nice idea to think about the different areas where selling music might be an option, your list is great for thinking outside the box so to speak. 

Best thing is to realize that nobody really cares that much about music these days. There is just WAY too much out there now. Just like movies, music has lost much of its value. Now, that doesn't mean we can't enjoy making it and listening to what is out there, but making money off of it or whatever is pretty much out for the most part. There are like 10 million shitty "songs" for each good one now as there is no filter and "everyone" is a composer.  There is actually something like overabundance, even if that is not a word and I would argue that is where we are at.  There is just too much content. 

Anyway, there is enough great music already created to last many lifetimes so I feel rather good about it. People just don't consume music the same way anymore, I have lived through that change. I rarely see people even making it through ONE song now, before going to the next or switch to cats on youtube or facebook. Hell, even at concerts they are looking through their "%#&¤%# phones! Imagine sitting through listening to an entire album like we used to ... lol ... what a foregin concept !

A score can mean many different things based on what they are actually asking for. In many cases people use score/lead sheet interchangeably, meaning they only want the tempo, harmony and melody. Think of Real Book for example.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Myfunnyvalentine.jpg/330px-Myfunnyvalentine.jpg

In this case if its a theatre and they plan to play your music with the act, I would assume they want the scores for all the intrsuments, if they want to play it as you wrote it on the CD that is? 

In that case it would mean writing out the melody, tempo and key for all the instruments with rests and other articulation info like creasendos etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_music#/media/File:Der_100._Psalm_Max_Reger.jpg

Cakewalk is really not good at producing a leadsheet or a full score imo. Unless everything is steprecorded the notes will 100% be wrong and impossible to recreate by a musician. At least that is my experience.  (which i why I always beg for a new staff implementation ) 

I would ask them about their expectations to avoid unnecessary work

 All you need to do is put together some parts, more like lego than "building" anything.   Anyone can do that as long as you get the right parts, and to be honest there are not THAT many variations.  That said, I doubt there are huge gains doing it yourself compared to those providing it as a service so if you like that extra safety and experience it might be a good choice.  Personally I like to do it myself simply because I have many times and know how I guess, I see no upside in outsourcing that part. 

Your requirements might need something different with 100 tracks and 200 plugins No idea if my 8700k could handle that, I never write music with 100 tracks and I dont even OWN 200 plugins let alone put them in one project. lol  We can always wait for the latest and greatest parts that might be around the corner, and in the process not get any music done. Buying good quality parts in the upper range of spec today will serve you well ... pretty much.

Can you guys enlighten be a bit on RIG profiles and IR's ?   IR's seems to me to be things you can buy from otherplaces ?  What are some you guys recommend in terms of quality, where to look I mean? I realize it depends on type etc but I would think there are some that delivers good quality in general? 

I will read up on it abit now and educate myself on it ... but would appreciate any input on the above.