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11 minutes ago, Blades said:
I also didn't realize that you could re-categorize a plugin/instrument directly from the browser with the right-click and select a category.
What is missing here is:
- The ability to drag and drop (only a little easier for moving things around, especially when you are doing a bunch)
- The ability to create a new category that I can see.
What is a plus here is:
- The Plus - The ability to add a plugin to more than one category AND see that it is in multiples. There are some things that just need to be in more than one place
I like the idea of eliminating these old dialogs from any software. I see it everywhere, from Microsoft Word, to the IT system monitoring software that we use, to the dreaded Windows 10 "control pane(s)" where there are mixes of old and new dialogs with some overlap between them but some things that can only be done in one OR the other, so both must persist. The Drum Map Manager is another that needs some love. Just update the controls at least and get rid of the tiny boxes with scroll bars that don't resize or popups that look completely different than the window they popped out of (again the Drum Map - this time the Map Properties dialog that comes up form the double click of a drum in the map on the left sidebar of the midi window - and this window almost every time dropping behind the midi window with no easy way to get back to it - all the way back to my video on drum maps from Sonar 5!
You can use CTRL + click to select multiple plugins in the browser, then right click to assign them all to the same category.
Also, the category is not just a drop down - you can type into it to create new ones.
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I tried out various Fostex & Tascam 4 tracks at the time, and I've got to say the Yamaha MT1X for me beat them hands down with fidelity (this was before the MT2X came out). The choice of cassette was pretty vital too - Maxell XLII's were matched the best for the Yamaha (I see you're using those too).
The guitarist I worked with would record his parts live, mixed with my sequenced drums, keyboards & bass (Alesis SR16 / Roland CM64 sequenced in Music-X on an Amiga 500) to 2 tracks. We'd then use the other 2 tracks for vocals & additional guitars.
I recorded tonnes of stuff on my MT1X that way... hardly anyone believed they were done on a 4 track with no bounces!
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That looks like an old MT1X.
I had one of those, and later upgraded to a MT8X which ran at double the speed.
The increase in fidelity was significant. And when you consider that it was using half as much of the tape width for each track, that's saying something.
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4 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:
So even better - I fixed the slow loading of the categories ?
I now cache the data that was causing the really slow registry lookups when the plugin manager starts up.The startup of the app will be slower but now switching categories is just a fraction of a second to refresh.
Awesome - thanks Noel. I don't use the app that often (partly due to the slowness), but this will certainly make it much more usable.
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22 minutes ago, scook said:
Unfortunately the browser does not provide a way to nest folders. If is did, I could abandon the plug-in manager for layout maintenance.
Good point.
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15 minutes ago, Canopus said:
I have CbB installed on both a desktop and a laptop and I want to keep the plug-in menu layouts in sync. That's very easy with the Plug-in Manager: I simply copy the *.pgl files between my computers. Are you saying that something similar is possible without using the Plug-In Manager?
The plugin browser layout equivalent of the *.pgl files is %AppData%\Cakewalk\Library\Library.db which you can copy between your desktop & laptop.
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2 minutes ago, Canopus said:
Please don't.
As soon as Automatic Background Scan was introduced I turned it off, replacing it with Manual Scan. Even if the background scan indeed is efficient, why waste a single CPU clock cycle scanning for new plug-ins every time CbB is started? And more importantly, I know very well when I’ve bought a new plug-in and as soon as I do, I not only run the manual scan but also update those of my plug-in menu layouts that are affected. I never use anything but my own plug-in menu layouts because no program logic knows better than me how I want to structure them. I want to continue having a work flow that fit my needs and the current Plug-in Manager makes that possible. From my point of view removal of that possibility would be deeply disappointing.
For the most part, you don't actually need the Plugin Manager:
- Manual scans can be done from Preferences->VST Settings
- Plugin properties can accessed be via the plugin's VST2/VST3 dropdown menu
- The plugin layout can be changed via the plugin browser by right clicking on the plugin
The only thing you really need the Plugin Manager for is excluding problem plugins, but I'm sure the CbB devs will provide an alternative way of doing this before removing the Plugin Manager.
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We've been discussing this in another thread.
I found this to be worse than 4.2.0. I've found that once I set my default detection algorithm in 4.2.0, it remembered it and worked fine even after rebooting the PC.
In 4.2.1 however, it consistently hangs cakewalk when dragging an audio track on to a MIDI track. The workaround is to create a region FX and manually select the detection algorithm. It'll then work for the rest of the session with that project.
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31 minutes ago, ZincT said:
Thanks Skyline and Mark.
I was once caught out by a Melodyne upgrade on SPlat which was unusable for months so I always hold off doing upgrades immediately even though I keep previous versions which can be re-installed.
I am still happily running Editor v4.1.1.011 which works without issue although I have downloaded v4.2.0.020 - is that the same sub-version as you Mark?
Yeah, I've got 4.2.020 on my main PC, and 4.2.103 on my laptop. Both versions are quicker than 4.1.1, but not as stable.
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45 minutes ago, MUDGEL said:
I thought it was added ages ago!
will have to check
You're probably thinking of OMF.
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8 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:
Sure but that shouldn't be something you need to do on a daily basis.
No, it's not a big issue for me.
Maybe the OP has other reasons for needing to use it.
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I upgraded to 4.2.1 on my laptop yesterday.
The 4.2.1 update consistently hangs Cakewalk when dragging an audio track on to a MIDI track, unless I've previously created a region FX and selected the default detection algorithm.
On my main PC I'm still running 4.2.0.
So far I've had to set the default once with 4.2.0, and it's remembered it ever since without issue.
I'm running the Editor version, with a default of Polyphonic Sustain.
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1 minute ago, Noel Borthwick said:
Plugin Manager is not really being maintained these days and it hasn't been updated in a very long time. The only reason you need to ever use it is for creating plugin layouts. Everything else can be done from within the Cakewalk application, including scanning from preferences.
What is the reason you still use plugin manager?
I used to use it to switch 32 bit plugins to use JBridge instead of bit-bridge, and exclude certain problem plugins.
Nowadays I find it quicker to edit the registry directly.
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yeah, on reflection I think Kylie is better.
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Or Carlton maybe...
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I've not really used overwrite mode much, I mostly use sound-on-sound or comping.
As keyboard is my main instrument, for keyboard parts more often than not I'll just CTRL+Z and re-record if I'm not happy with it.
For guitar, I'll use sound-on-sound in the way I've described in earlier posts. I'll keep on playing takes and pick the best one. If I don't get a good take after around 30 odd takes, I'll give up and start comping manually.
Drums is my weakest instrument, so I'm more likely to use comping.
I've occasionally experienced the waveform not displaying. I've not worked out what causes this yet - it might be the zoom level combined with the scroll lock setting perhaps?
Maybe some-one else can enlighten us...
Personally I don't pay much attention to the display, as I'm concentrating more on playing. I just keep playing in a loop until I think I've got a good take.
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I've just upgraded to the latest Melodyne (4.2.1.003), and the hanging issue is still there.
The issue with the default algorithm not being picked up is intermittent. Sometimes it picks it up, sometimes I have to re-select.
The workaround of creating a region fx first, then dragging to a MIDI track works; but if I forget to do this first, just dragging an audio track on to a MIDI track will cause Cakewalk to hang.
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Thanks for the update notification ØSkald.
Detection seems to be quicker on this release.
Unfortunately it still causes Cakewalk to hang when dragging an audio track on to a MIDI track, unless you create a region FX first ☹️
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2 hours ago, petemus said:
I, too, wish there were some CWnd::SetRedraw(FALSE) calls for filling up those listboxes. ?
You can send a WM_SETREDRAW message to the control's handle to turn updates on and off:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/gdi/wm-setredraw
But yes, it would be good if that was part of the CWnd class.
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20 hours ago, scook said:
AFAIK, the local help code switch "UseOnlyOfflineHelp" and the supporting code are still in place. Most of the most recent SONAR help is still applicable to CbB. I have not tried it recently but it still may be possible to use the chm from SONAR by copying the chm into the CbB program folder and setting "UseOnlyOfflineHelp" to 1 in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\Cakewalk\Core
This method still works for me. I don't recall having to change the registry... although I suspect I changed it in Preferences before the option disappeared.
The things I need help for are less well used ones, rather than standard workflow tasks (which usually means they've not changed since SONAR), so the fact that it's out of date hasn't been an issue for me so far.
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6 minutes ago, scook said:
I don't think the plug-in manager reads anything other than the registry and layout files. Plug-in validation is the domain of the VST scanner. The exclude list are handy to reduce the number of plug-ins the DAW uses to build the dynamic "Sort by" layouts.
For me it takes around 4 seconds to display 324 VST 2 effects, but clicking on VST3 instruments takes 8 seconds for only 7 VSTi's.
Clicking on the DirectX effects comes back almost instantly.
To my mind it must be doing more than that behind the scenes.
Then again, it might just be inefficient code. For example, you can see the scroll bar handle shrink as the VST2 effects populate, almost as if it's responding to WM_PAINT messages as each list item is added (rather than refreshing the GUI after the list has been populated).
This wouldn't explain the 8 seconds for 7 VST3 instruments tho.
For me it's not the end of the world, but it is a bit annoying when it repopulates everything every time you alter the plugin options.
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What MIDI interface are you using?
I've found the cheaper USB to MIDI cables are extremely problematic. The reason being is that their internal buffer size is extremely small, so if they're overloaded with MIDI data they drop notes... and for sysex, they are totally useless.
Bear in mind also that at 1:1:000 any program changes, CC settings (pan, volume etc) are being sent all at once. Maybe moving the start of your song to 2:1:000 might help.
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Here's a sample of the preset from my D550:
- Soundfont format: D50Fact-028-Pizzagogo.sf2
- Sfz : PizzagogoSfz.zip
Note that there's no release samples, so you'll need to set the decay accordingly.
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I had a similar experience, which is why I ended up doing a clean install of W7 and upgraded it after I'd installed all the service packs & updates. I suspect it was down to some old drivers that were present on my W7 system that couldn't be upgraded.
You're lucky your W7 system still works. My failed upgrade totally trashed my system and forced me to start from scratch.
You could stay on W7 for the time being. Failing remove your existing W7 hard drive, get a new hard drive and do a fresh W7 install before upgrading it.
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(RESOLVED) Plug-in Manager painfully slow since 2018.11 update
in Cakewalk by BandLab
Posted · Edited by msmcleod
Wow, that's strange.
It works perfectly for me on Audio FX, MIDI FX, and Instruments.
I guess it's possible %APPDATA%\Cakewalk\Library\Library.db has somehow got corrupted. How.... I've no idea.
However, if you come out of Cakewalk and rename Library.db to Library.db.bak, and restart Cakewalk it should recreate it. I'm guessing that this might make your properties dialog re-appear.
You can always rename it back if it doesn't.
CORRECTION - renaming it back doesn't restore the layout