mdiemer

Maybe I'm confusing Samplitude's score view with another I tried. The one I was thinking of only let you look at one instrument at a time. If I was mistaken in this, and Samplitude does allow you to look at multiple instruments in the same view, then I retract my statement. But I maintain that, as an editing tool - not as true notation - Cakewalk's staff view is the best that I have used. Notice I said "that I have used." If you or anyone else finds a different DAW has a staff view that works better for you, then that is best for you. Your statement that Cakewalk's staff view is bad really only has validity for you. Peace.

I never attempted that. Doing the normal stuff you do with a DAW is tedious enough! Although I'm sure the results would be much better. The problem with string patches is that they are a bunch of say, violins playing, and of course not in agreement 100% with each other. that's how it is in real life, too. In actual performances, high strings are often screechy. Only massaging the sounds with EQ or other FX will alleviate that, but many feel that destroy's the authenticity. So you have to accept that strings will be a problem in your midi projects. I have yet to hear a string library where you don't have to spend a lot of time on the high strings, to make them clear while minimizing the screechiness.

I'd be surprised if we do. honestly, the sounds in v.5 are no better than v.4. In some cases I prefer the v.4 sounds. About the only thing I got with v.5 was Garritan Orchestral Strings, which once in a blue moon I might use. The Pocket Orchestra sounds that are bundled with Dim Pro are even older, but they sound better. And you can shape them nicely. My harp - the only one I use - is the one in Pocket. It sounds great and is louder and has more presence. Dim Pro also has a nice string library. I forget what it is based on ,something with the word "Saint" in it I seem to recall. I occasionally use some of them as well.

I totally agree. I noticed this years ago. The GPO Pocket Orchestra is also a great thing. The sounds are actually better than in the flagship version! I use them in every project, and also the Expansion Pack versions.

For those doing only midi, Box.com is a good choice. 10 GB of storage is plenty for midi. I have only used about 2 GB so far.

Make sure you only have highlighted the material you want to copy. sometimes you will see that previous measures have been selected, even though there is no material in them. If that is the case, de-select them. i think I do it by holding down Control so only the measures I don't want in the selection are affected.

I also tried samplitude, and found its score editor mystifying. The original developers of Cakewalk got it right, and they did it two decades ago. It's very easy to use, and very powerful. As for the code (mentioned in the next post), the fact that it is so old may be why they are making only incremental improvements. I made keyboard shortcuts for velocity, length and transposition. I hit V and the velocity changer comes up. I can do a single note or a series of them, whatever I select. same for length and transposition. Simple, effective.

Not as long as those of us who use it who continue to be vocal about its value. I guess I'm just trying to make sure they know how much it means to those of us who consider it an indispensable part of our workflow.

That would be great. I'm not sure though about bundling something like Muse Score with Cakewalk. If it replaced staff view, definitely not. As an additional tool, it would be wonderful. Once again, this gets at the difference between notation software and and a score editor. What Staff view is, is another way to edit, for those who prefer working with notes. for us, it's easier than PRV. But to expect it to compare favorably to true notation software is to misconstrue its purpose. Once you accept it as an editor for people who read music, all the problems go away. The fact that it doesn't always display notes correctly doesn't really matter if you're not going to print it out and send it to musicians to play. What matters is that it allows you to quickly select, cut, copy and paste any number of notes/measures. and adjust velocity, length, transpose, etc. I do all that is staff view. I also use Event List a lot. that's my workflow. It isn't right or wrong. It's just what works for me. I applaud the bakers for the incremental improvements they make to Staff View. mostly though, I just pray that they don't remove it. If they want to bundle muse Score, that's great. but please don't do so at the expense of one of the best (for me, the best) score editors of any DAW.

Ok guys, shake hands and make up. This is not worth fighting about. We all look for different things in our software. what Maestro considers a strength, Jerry may see as unimportant. And vice versa. We are individuals. There is no objective, factual truth at stake here. Use what works for you. your workflow is yours and yours alone, we all use the tools differently. I happen to agree with Jerry that Cakewalk's staff view fits my particular workflow well. but I understand that another DAW may have a staff view that works better for Maestro, or Bitflipper, or Sid Vicious (if he's still alive). We're all just relating our own unique experiences here. Arguing about who's right or wrong is like arguing about whether the Beatles or the Stones are the greatest rock group of all time. Or if Beethoven was greater than Mozart. It's who you like best. And with DAWS, it's what works best for you.

I have also had problems exporting XML from Sonar/Cakewalk. I end up exporting as a midi 1 file. You are definitely right Jerry, Cake only displays so many staves. I get around it by selecting the ones I want, or an entire section, like woodwinds, or strings. A small workaround considering how useful Staff view is.

I wondered if there were different numbering schemes. The list I looked at has it as 52. It is an old list, so maybe it has it right, as Mr. Wilby implied it comes from the era of floppy disks.

If it is a patch, it's Synth Strings 2, in the General Midi Set.

Page 52? Patch 52?

Yeah, it's not going to happen. Sorry to be negative, but on the old Sonar forum there was a thread on this that became on eof the longest in the history of that forum. they have made some minor tweaks, but not all of them have been received well, and most prefer the staff view that existed in the Sonar 8.5 days. Having said that, Cakewalk's staff view is in my opinion the best of any DAW. Only Reaper's is as good. not because it's great as a notation program (far from it), but because it excels as a compositional tool. People rave about Cubase's staff view. I have tried it, and although it looks great and you can print decent scores (although still not professional quality), navigating in it is a pain. You can only select the notes you can see in the current window. There is no scrolling. Cakewalk allows you to scroll as much as you want. So you can select 100 measures if you want. to do that in Cubase, you have to exit staff view and use another view to make the selection. In time, Reaper's notation feature is going to be the best of any DAW. Unless Studio One fully integrates Notion. I don't know how far that process has gone. I used Reaper for a couple years, but eventually got tired of the interface as well as the difficulty in routing midi.

One way to do it "with numbers:" Use the rarely-used but very powerful Event List (not Event view, Event List). Example 1: to move a note from the first beat of a measure to the second beat: The event will be displayed as a time event like this: 1:01:000. This means the first beat of measure one. Change the numbers to this: 1:02:000. The note will move to the second beat of measure one. Example 2: Move a note from the first beat of measure 1 to the first beat measure 2: Change 1:01:000 to 2:01:000.

You can use the Filter in Event List to display exactly what you want, but I don't know of a way to configure it so that it always displays only notes, or CC events or other events. It seems to be a case-by-case thing. The Event Filter is a little-used feature of Cakewalk, because most people don't do a lot in Event List. I use it a lot myself. For those who don't know about this feature, you get to it through the Edit Menu, then select, then select by filter. It actually is very powerful. For example, if you want to delete all volume events, you can set the filter for CC7 (minimum and maximum values the same), It will select only those events and you can delete them all with a click. Since I do orchestral stuff, I sometimes need to do this after importing from another DAW where I did things differently. A big time-saver when you have hundreds of events.

Good question. I'm also staying with Windows 7. I'm using an older CbB version, but not too old, maybe one or two back. I'm wary about updating, as it's only a matter of time before CbB just won't work on Windows 7 anymore. This would be a great gesture toward those of us who just can't hack Windows 10, but continue to find CbB the best DAW for us. We are probably a minority at this point, and most of us likely old gray farts, but we're still here, part of the Cakewalk community.

I'm putting it at 90hz and calling it good for now. The reason is, I have discovered other problems with my sound, resulting from the use of samples from several different libraries, and conflicts arising from differences in panning, room impulses, etc. For example, the basses in Vienna Special Edition are panned left of center, while East West and Cinematic Strings basses are panned right. I kept wondering why there were basses on the left. I even checked my wiring to see if I had reversed some connections. Anyway, you can see that writing for full orchestra, and using multiple libraries, creates all sorts of problems. I need to get these sorted out before worrying about crossover settings! But at least I have learned some things from this thread. I also put a thread on Tom's Hardware forum (you might be surprised at that place; they have a zillion subforums, and very knowledgeable and helpful people. I learned a lot there, too. For example, someone directed me to this place: https://www.avsforum.com I found some very interesting threads there on subwoofer issues, among other things.

It is indeed somewhat bewildering. Like the strike zone in baseball. It's supposed to be fairly exact, but in fact is very subjective, a fact which leads to frequent ejections of players and managers. At this point I am thinking the ballpark is between 80-120 hz. somewhere in there is the wheelhouse (to stick with baseball metaphors, although a bit out of season).

Wow, that's pretty complex stuff. Not sure I understand it. My latest thinking on this: If mid-range speakers start at about 110hz, then if I set my sub at 110, I am freeing my monitors to only deal with the mid-range. Below 110 the sub takes over. so far, results are good. Still not sure I have the best setting, however.

My current thinking with this: using the "10hz" rule, since my monitors go down to 56hz, the lowest I should set the sub would be 66hz. That does seem pretty low. So, is the "10hz" rule valid? does this at least give me a lower limit? If I could then decide on an upper limit, it would help narrow things down. I'm going to test some settings out with a string passage that starts low in the bass and goes up well into the high-mid range, then back down to the bass. If I can find a setting where there is a seamless transition, that may be a good way to nail it down.

Just use the one that works. For me, VST2 is usually the one. Though in at least one case, Aria Player if my memory serves me, it works only with VST3. It seems to depend on one's system and plugins. Fortunately, VST2 still works fine.

Well, setting the crossover to 90 hz does make it sound better. I have tried 80, 100 and 120, but not 90. There is a definite improvement at 90. not overwhelming, but it's there. I'm going to compare it to 80 and 100. It looks like this is the ballpark I'm hitting in. 90 may be the sweet spot, If not it's very close.

Thanks Glenn, I appreciate the advice. I'll see how 90 sounds. Right now I'm all over the place. I forgot to point out that I'm doing classical, orchestral stuff, in case that makes a difference.