dubdisciple

7 hours ago, Paul Young said:

Well in some ways they did.   Cakewalk added a step sequencer and working with loops has been fine.  Strange as it is people unaware of FL don't know it was a midi first app. 

 I remember trials of FL came with the retail Home Studio CD.   I started to like it over what seemed to be a more cluttered GUI in Sonar.

Cakewalk was often first in innovation. They were first with 64 bit.  They started with the idea of the .OMF format.

The sad thing is when software is acquired the end user rarely benefits.  Sometimes those that acquire can run into problems. See Magix.

I guess Magix Acid is not a competitor either 

I have no issue with a company sponsored forum blocking such things.  Image Line did it long before here.

I agree that I don't mind them blocking competitors. I just suspect that Cakewalk is underestimating programs that have advanced a lot over the years. I firmly believe that Ableton and FL can do more traditional things that Cakewalk theoretically has an edge on than the other way around. I know folk  guitarists and singer songwriters who swear by Ableton. Cakewalks loop tools are aimed at producers who use loops in a straightforward way that conforms more to the stereotype of how sample loops are used than the reality. 

7 hours ago, Wookiee said:

@dubdisciple Cakewalk can handle loops it just does it a more traditional way. Years ago in the Pro Audio versions if you created a loop, unlike todays Cakewalk where you have to drag out copies, it would loop for the duration of the song without having multiple copies. 

Before I start, I want to be clear I am not trying to be argumentative. I'm just having a frank conversation about one of the things I think has long been a stumbling block for Cakewalk.  Yes, Cakewalk has ability to handle loops, but it requires workarounds for usage that genres that are sample heavily rely on. I'm not an Ableton user, but  I think there are more things that I can do in Ableton but not in Cakewalk than the other way around.  Ableton functions like most linear DAWs in timeline view. Where Cakewalk falls woefully short when it comes to working with samples are:

the lack of robust integrated sampler

Lack of native ability to manipulate chopped samples in a musical way.

In most DAWs, "traditional" or not, a REX file can be imported into either an integrated sampler or integrated drum solution with slices mapped and a Midi file of slice patter generated. Even if using WAVs, I can slice a file and send all of those slices mapped to either drum pads or keys. Genres that manipulate breaks like Jungle or Breakcore are beyond tedious to do in Cakewalk. For those with tons of third party software it's not insurmountable, but  it does show that Cakewalk has always had a huge disconnect from younger audiences.  If I am missing something, please let me know . 

19 hours ago, Wookiee said:

To clarify,  posting about DAW's who's basic workflow can be considered direct competition for Sonar, or Next is not permitted.

Both Ableton and FL studio use a fundamentally different approach, and workflow, basically they are quite reliant looping, consequently they aren't considered a direct competitor. 

Thanks for clarification.  Not looking  a gift horse in the mouth, but looping is a small subset of each of those programs. Both are capable of functioning very similar to Calewalk.i honestly think one of the mistakes made by cakewalk is not doing a better job of providing the best parts of each of those programs, as well as the robust features that would be effective for classical music. The stereotypes associated with earlier versions of the program are outdated to say the least. FL has arguably the best piano roll of any DAW and now that they have added timeline style recording, there is not much that can be done in cakewalk that can't be done in either program . There are tons if Ableton users who never use looping.

It's not far off of image line site price 

This may not be allowed since competing DAW posts are no longer allowed 

I think it's different now that they are trying to sell DAWs instead of supporting a free one.  If it were me, I would those as opportunities to sell us on Bandlab offerings that compete favorably. Cakewalks's base has been very loyal to product despite being able to discuss other products .  Cakewalk used to be good about having staff interact with forum to find solutions to features offered in competing products.  It's their forum, so I still appreciate them offering it at a time when other forums are closing or only offering to subscribers 

2 hours ago, GTsongwriter said:

I'm not buying another Waves plugin until they make COSMOS not require a internet login!

I like the principle of cosmos but never use it

11 hours ago, kitekrazy1 said:

I could buy one plugin to install on 3 machines

I refuse to do that on pure principle 

I don't mind getting just the samples and may pick up hazy days. I rarely use my maschine

18 hours ago, Lemion said:

Agreed, it's still high-quality stuff (being myself a daily user of their products), I think that's definitely a good point made that we're too used to have large discounts all the time (can we really be blamed it's how the industry works though... deliberately overpricing their products (Not NI) just to give the impression we're getting an massive deal every time they go on discounts. Looking at you Air Instruments, Xpand!2 being at '90%' discount 11 out of 12 months 👀).

Still, am I being too harsh on calling them out that including products that is free on their website (Analog Dreams & Guitar Player 7 LE (Too little difference from the free version)) behind the $20-$30 tier price doesn't feel right? 🤔

I do understand you calling out the confusing pricing .  I think i acknowledged that was annoying, but that happens sometimes with so many sales, promotions being offered by both developer and third parties.  I welcome you to forum as well. Sone good people here.

I think we are so spoiled and own so many plugins and samples that anything less than giving away the farm seems like it's not a deal.  This is not the "best" deal they have ever offered, but for someone that does not own these products it's not bad. Yes, value is somewhat hyperbole, but you said the key phrase referring to these often being discounted. Often is not always so posting the retail value is not a giant stretch on anything except the le products .  I don't personally have need of this product, but I can see it being useful and a deal for a beginner.

Damn. That was quick

18 minutes ago, Mr No Name said:

give me a nice country and western song any day.

Country western music, surprisingly to some and not so much to anyone who has ever been to dive bars in bible belt, has the highest references to drugs and alcohol than any genre. People tend to cherry pick the variation of things they like that seem positive to them while ignoring the less savory or they end up spinning aspects that many find negative into positive . I grew up listening to many genres, including country and a brawl is just as likely in a country music playing dive as any place playing rap.

8 hours ago, Esteban Villanova said:

As music becomes less culturally relevant (young people barely listen to it) we will see a lot more of this.

I think it's more nuanced than that. Kids listen to more music than ever before. Streaming makes access more possible than ever.  As far as defining them, this is also situational. I don't think there has ever been a more literally defining genre than Drill in the US. Unlike the gangsta rap of the 90's that was mostly fantasy ( or dramatization of reality, drill tends to document real situations with real consequences, including many fatal responses to literal lyrics chronicling murder. There have been at least 600nof these over the last few years.  Aside from the depressing death scenarios, tiktok and social media has made music  very prevalent amd degining in arguably less than desirable ways. Every week there's a new challenge. 

4 hours ago, DamienF said:

I've discovered that these sounds are usable in reggaeton 

Do I really know what is reggaeton ?

Oversimplified  answer: A genre that was originally inspired by dancehall reggae, particularly the Dem Bow riddim (and other similar electronic riddims) with lyrics mostly in Spanish instead of Jamaican patois. It tends to have lyrics more akin to the "slackness" of  dancehall, while ignoring the socially conscious lyrics of roots reggae.  Modern reggaeton has moved farther and farther from its reggae roots . Not saying that is a good or bad thing.

I think IK's suite matches well overall with products like Waves. The only area I have a minor issue with is they seem to be CPU heavy in comparison to similar products. This has caused me to hesitate  to use across multiple tracks in larger projects. Has CPU efficiency been improved?

On 8/20/2024 at 7:26 PM, Brian Walton said:

Windows user and had plugins break going from V9 to v10.  Have also had v14 break a specific plugin.

No longer install Waves and lead a more stress free life as a result.

The only plugin that kept me tied was clarityvx, but supertone clear helped me cut the cord.

V14 broke in studio one when they dod the attemlt.at sub only. Forced me to upgrade to version 6

Since it seems like this will be the norm to have this sale, Doing this every few years os a better alternative to paying WUP.

3 hours ago, Wojtek Stecyszyn said:

Can you please write why?

Im planning to buy this one 

I have a UR22. It is not my primary interface anymore, but it is durable. I keep it in my backpack amd ot has been through war.  The preamps are crap loke most consumer level interfaces.

Isn't this always free?  Good product 

I picked up one . Hard to go wrong at that price.

On 8/3/2024 at 12:32 PM, audioschmaudio said:

Waves also have OneKnob Wetter. Who on earth thought that would be a good name?

The same person who thought of one knob pumper

I used this for years because I found it better and easier to use than paid products I owned. Great freebie

On 8/2/2024 at 8:27 AM, audioschmaudio said:

For a moment I thought Larry was back ? I've got a coupon code with which you can get it for $39. I believe this code can only be used once. I don't need mine. PM me if you want it.

Big thanks to you again!!

I thought this was about Adobe from title. I still use the Waves plugins I already have, but have no desire to buy more.  There's only a couple of plugins that I don't have other products that are equivalent or better.