Synth rack options for Toontrack Superior Drummer multiout

[Leander]

Hi!

In order to use multiout for Superior Drummer, you need to access a setting in the synth rack. These options are displayed when adding Superior Drummer as a NEW synth...but it is already in my project with a edited midi in it. Is there a way to access the synth rack options of the already loaded Superior Drummer instead of greating a new synth with it?

[57Gregy]

Open the Synth Rack, click the gear icon.

[Chaps]

26 minutes ago, Leander said:

Hi!

In order to use multiout for Superior Drummer, you need to access a setting in the synth rack. These options are displayed when adding Superior Drummer as a NEW synth...but it is already in my project with a edited midi in it. Is there a way to access the synth rack options of the already loaded Superior Drummer instead of greating a new synth with it?

Another option in addition to what @57Gregy posted is to insert necessary audio tracks and change the track input to the synth instrument you want playing on it. Like if you wanted all the drums on on stereo track but wanted separate tracks for the snare and kick drums, for example.

[Bass Guitar]

I’ll have to try this tomorrow morning but I always thought that you could  only choose multiple outputs when you first inserted the synth. 
 

But then I have never tried inserting a few audio tracks and seeing if you could set them up as the optional outputs from a synth. 

Im thinking you’d have to first assign them in the synth mixer first before Sonar would see them. 

[Chaps]

Yes. In Superior Drummer 2 if you insert the synth with the First Synth Audio Output, if you look at the mixer all the instruments are routed to S1/2. which is the master stereo output, and the buses are routed to 'None'. You can right-click the instrument Output and keep it Stereo, select Multichannel which puts the instruments on sequential stereo outputs, or manually select an output channel for the instrument (or bus) you want to assign to an audio track. Then on the audio track you use those channels as the input.

[Bass Guitar]

OK this works 

Opened an old project with the SSD5 as a stereo out only set up. 

From the synth rack open the Synth Properties and change to multi output. 

Open the SSD 5 Mixer and assign kick to output 1, snare 2 , toms 3 hats 4 and so on. 

Now on playback only the kick is heard. Outputs 2 to 6 are going nowhere. 

Insert new audio tracks,  open the Input menu and choose the appropriate input from the dropdown which looks just like your audio interfaces list with left right or stereo as options. I chose stereo. 

Now just name the tracks and your done. 

EDIT: I forgot to change the output of the new audio tracks to my drum bus C. The best way to do this is use the Add tracks / advanced  and choose it there as well as inserting the 5 new tracks. 

Even though the mixer in the GUI can do a lot this gives you the option of not just mixing but using 3rd party effects. Totally a game changer for working with canned drums.  

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Bass Guitar

[Chaps]

27 minutes ago, Bass Guitar said:

OK this works 

Opened an old project with the SSD5 as a stereo out only set up. 

From the synth rack open the Synth Properties and change to multi output. 

Open the SSD 5 Mixer and assign kick to output 1, snare 2 , toms 3 hats 4 and so on. 

Now on playback only the kick is heard. Outputs 2 to 6 are going nowhere. 

Insert new audio tracks,  open the Input menu and choose the appropriate input from the dropdown which looks just like your audio interfaces list with left right or stereo as options. I chose stereo. 

Now just name the tracks and your done. 

 

 

 

I inserted SSD5 free with the First Synth Audio Output option then clicked the insert soft synth option button in the synth rack and as far as I can tell this changed nothing in the SSD5 internal routing or available audio tracks for the instrument. All instruments were still output to the first stereo pair out 1 st. While you can click the output at the bottom of the volume slider to choose a different audio output for the instrument another option is to use the Routing Presets in the Mix section which offers three default options for instrument outputs, as shown in the image below. Then when you create the audio tracks for them you can easily tell which output to use. What I sometime do is to insert a drum synth with All Synth Audio Outputs: Stereo (or mono) which creates a LOT of audio tracks, and then I just delete the ones I am not going to use leaving the audio tracks remaining already receiving output from the correct kit piece.

[Bass Guitar]

Here's a few more tips: 

Reading what @Chaps posted a light bulb went off. I saved the 6 output set up as a Pre Set in SSD5. 

Opened a different project. 

I didn't bother opening the Synth Properties this time. It's not necessary. 

Loaded the Pre set. This saved a lot of work. 

and then using Add tracks set the output to my C bus and added 5 new tracks. 

Now just assign the inputs and name, done. 

The SSD5  routing options like in the case of choosing the multi output option on first inserting,  creates way to many tracks to my liking. For me 6 or 8 stereo tracks is plenty. In many cases I really only want to process the snare and kick separately from the rest of the kit.  Any fine tuning can be done in the drum GUI mixer. 

What I will do is create a few different track templates for this and see if that works even faster.  

Edited 2 hours ago by Bass Guitar

[Chaps]

2 minutes ago, Bass Guitar said:

What I will do is create a few different track templates for this. 

That sounds like a most elegant solution.