Any midi 2.0 plans?

[AB99]

Decades ago, I went to Cakewalk because it was a leader in midi. Even Windows has been updated for it.

Are there plans to have midi 2.0 in Sonar?

[Promidi]

5 hours ago, AB99 said:

Are there plans to have midi 2.0 in Sonar?

And if this were to happen, be prepared to update any synth you you also want support midi 2.0.

[AB99]

2 hours ago, Promidi said:

And if this were to happen, be prepared to update any synth you you also want support midi 2.0.

Yes.  And Roland and Yamaha are already releasing some and planning on this transition.  

Example:

Here is a Roland midi controller with software ready for 2.0:
https://www.roland.com/us/products/a-88mk2/

And Yamaha:
The Yamaha MONTAGE M series, including the M8X, support MIDI 2.0

Edited 23 hours ago by AB99

[Promidi]

3 hours ago, AB99 said:

Yes.  And Roland and Yamaha are already releasing some and planning on this transition.  

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The Yamaha MONTAGE M series, including the M8X, support MIDI 2.0

Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of VST plug ins (of which, more people are likely to have)

Replacing hardware is expensive.....

[AB99]

2 hours ago, Promidi said:

Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of VST plug ins (of which, more people are likely to have)

Replacing hardware is expensive.....

I hear you.  I have no idea how many VST synth users are using midi controllers, but if they are, it is nice that there are midi 2.0 midi controllers coming out, like the Roland.

[Promidi]

1 minute ago, AB99 said:

I hear you.  I have no idea how many VST synth users are using midi controllers, but if they are, it is nice that there are midi 2.0 midi controllers coming out, like the Roland.

Yes, it's always good to have options. 

14 bit MIDI controller values (one of the perks of MIDI 2.0) have been available even with the MIDI 1 spec.   Pitch Bends are 14 bit, as are RPNs and NRPNS.  

For instance, if you open up the PRV of a MIDI track that is routed to a synth that supports automation, then open the NRPN controller lane, you will see listed all of the automation parameters.  I believe those are all 14 bit.  You can even edit them like you would any other Controller Events.

I have used NRPNs and RPN for years (I have an external synth that supports them for many parameters).

[user905133]

Let me ask:

1. Do you think that makers of virtual gear [aka plug-ins, such as instruments and FX] will charge new / higher amounts of money for MIDI 2.0 compliant virtual gear [both new virtual gear and recompiled/retooled gear]?
2. Do you think the makers of virtual gear will consider any such MIDI 2.0 compliant products to be new products?
3. Do you think that the older products will be discontinued, no longer supported, crippled, proclaimed as end-of-life / legacy products, etc.?

From what I read, MIDI 2.0 is not intended to replaced MIDI 1.0; from what I saw as recently as today, it is intended to exist at the same time.  That being said, as some consumers clamor for MIDI 2.0 compliant products, do you think that the laws of economics (as we have come to know them), will in reality make all non-MIDI 2.0 compliant virtual gear obsolete, worthless, and possibly crippled / non-functional for all practical purposes?

I cannot imagine that making new products (or just retooling old ones), will not be without significant costs, and I cannot imagine manufacturers of MIDI 2.0 compliant products won't be interested in having consumers pay for these costs.

I really don't know the answers (i.e., what are the makers of virtual gear likely to do), but these are some of my concerns.

[Byron Dickens]

https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/midi-2-0-what-actually-matters-for-musicians/

[AB99]

11 minutes ago, Byron Dickens said:

https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/midi-2-0-what-actually-matters-for-musicians/

Thank you!  Article is by our friend, Craig Anderton, by the way!

[user905133]

In case it wasn't clear, I agree: MIDI 1.0 Compliant Gear (including virtual gear) shouldn't become obsolete, etc.  What happens in the future remains to be seen.

Edited 24 minutes ago by user905133
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