Problem with Workspaces

[norfolkmastering]

I created a new custom Workspace, saved it and clicked the 'Apply Workspace on Project Load'

Next time I load a project, it loads with the preset 'Mix' workspace.

Happens every time!

What am I doing wrong?

[user905133]

1 hour ago, norfolkmastering said:

I created a new custom Workspace, saved it and clicked the 'Apply Workspace on Project Load'

Next time I load a project, it loads with the preset 'Mix' workspace.

Happens every time!

What am I doing wrong?

If you then recall the Workspace you created a second time (using the Workspace Drop down selector at the stop right) does it show up as expected or do you still get the Factory Mix Workspace?  

PS: I assume you are not using the Free Tier.

Edited 5 hours ago by user905133
added a PS

[norfolkmastering]

Yes I can recall my custom workspace from the list but it just will not load automatically next time I load the project.

[Glenn Stanton]

workspaces span projects. in mine, if i last used "mix" (custom) and then open up a recording project, the workspace will still be "mix"

[user905133]

25 minutes ago, norfolkmastering said:

Yes I can recall my custom workspace from the list but it just will not load automatically next time I load the project.

I asked because I ran into issues myself and decided that what I thought would happen with "Apply Workspace on Project Load" is not the way it works. I would have to go back and check again, but IIRC I thought there was a 1:1 correspondence when there wasn't.

In other words, I previously thought that "Apply Workspace on Project Load" saved a specific Workspace with each Project and then discovered that's not the way it works.

[norfolkmastering]

Thanks.  I don’t understand why the function “Apply Workspace on Project Load” doesn’t work as described.

I can find no way to get it to load any other workspace (other than the preset ‘mix’) when I load a project.

Maybe I am not doing things in the correct order?

[user905133]

2 minutes ago, Glenn Stanton said:

workspaces span projects. in mine, if i last used "mix" (custom) and then open up a recording project, the workspace will still be "mix"

Yup!  When I thought how Wokspaces work globally, that's what made me realize that my misunderstanding (per-project restoration) was just plain wrong.

[user905133]

24 minutes ago, norfolkmastering said:

Thanks.  I don’t understand why the function “Apply Workspace on Project Load” doesn’t work as described.

For the same reason why I also thought it didn't work right: My so called "intuitive understanding" was just plain wrong.

As Glenn correctly reminded us, Workspaces work globally. When I re-read the description several months ago, it I realized it was accurate.  At one point I drafted an explanation of where the misunderstanding comes from. 

I don't remember where I saved the draft, but if you quote  it and provide the source, I can try to reconstruct it.

To me when I thought about a Workspaces as a Global UI element preset (settings/configuration), it no longer made sense that changing a Project would change my Workspace. If I want to change the Workspace (a global set/configuration of elements and functions),  I change the Workspace.

Ergo, I concluded that "Apply Workspace on Project Load" is not done on a per project basis, but I if I changed a workspace without saving it, the existing workspace would be the same when I loaded a new project.  

BUT, if I had "Apply Workspace on Project Load" my existing workspace that wasn't saved would change to the default Workspace I had been using.

This is not to say that a feature request might not be appropriate, but I decided it is not a bug nor inaccurately described.

Several months ago when I decided not to put in such a feature request, I decided not to write this all up because it would confuse people who didn't use (or know how to use) Workspaces.

Sorry; this is an attempt to reconstruct why I decided the best solution for me is just to re choose my custom workspace when I loaded a project if. 

Plus, although I had given up using Screensets intentionally once I got into using CbB, I decided I needed to start using them intentionally again only this time in coordination with Workspaces.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by user905133
fixed typos

[user905133]

25 minutes ago, norfolkmastering said:

Thanks.  I don’t understand why the function “Apply Workspace on Project Load” doesn’t work as described.

• Let me try it this way:
  • (A) "Apply [a specific, per project] Workspace [when  my specific project is loaded].
    • NOPE; doesn't work like that.
  • (B) "Apply [a global/default/stored from previous usage] Workspace [at the time when any project is loaded].
    • As far as I can tell, it does indeed work this way.  [I could be wrong.] 

[user905133]

From the Reference Guide:

Based on this, if someone wanted to request that the Cakewalk Project File Format be changed to be able to save some sort of pointer to a custom workspace in a personal workspace list so a specific user's Workspace could be reloaded when a project was loaded, I think that would have to be a feature request.  

JMO: Although I might personally benefit from such a new feature, based on my reading of the community, I don't think it would be a good use of limited resources. Plus, implementing such a feature might risk some (or all) of the customizability we presently enjoy with the current Workspaces feature. For me, I don't mind selecting (or re-selecting) workspace as needed.

Personally, I'd sooner put in a feature request for a hierarchical file structure so I can better organize my Workspaces. 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by user905133
fixed typo (files --> file)